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hello everyone and welcome the show this

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is Martin Willis with podcast UFO and

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just a couple of announcements this is

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another pre-recorded show I'm travelling

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and so this will come out it's also

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going to be for people that like to

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watch YouTube it will be video on

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YouTube you can watch it there and just

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a quick announcement on September 18th I

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am actually going to head up to New

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Brunswick and go to Stan Friedman's home

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and I'm gonna do basically a retirement

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show he's retiring

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we know he's retiring we don't know

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exactly when is retiring but what I

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would like to do is I'd like to invite

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the podcast listeners that normally

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listen to the show to actually watch

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that live it's going to be again on

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September 18th that's 6 to 8 p.m.

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Eastern Standard Time and I'll be right

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there with Stan at his home and invite

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people to call in and wish him you know

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a happy retirement and he's done an

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awful lot for this field and we will

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certainly miss him he's a great guy I

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think he's been on the show something

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like 10 times something like that and so

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I wanted to make sure that I did the

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last show with him the right way and he

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agreed to that I could actually come to

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his house and set up and video and

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record him it'd also be a podcast as

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usual and I do want to thank everyone

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that helps out with the show and anyone

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can do that and all you have to do is go

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to podcast UFO comm and that information

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is right there and that is going to be

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it for me Alejandro is not doing news of

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course because it's a pre-recorded show

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but he will be back I'm gonna try to get

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him on the September 4th when I'm going

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to be in Vienna Austria I know that

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Jeremy Korbel will be on that show for

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an hour and then hopefully the second

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hour will be a UFO and through

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just Eduardo who lives in Vienna I'm

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gonna be he's gonna be visiting and

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hopefully he'll be on the show and we

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don't know what we're gonna come up with

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but it should be interesting to say the

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least we'll talk about UFOs in Austria

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and stuff like that so my guest tonight

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is grant Cameron he's a been a repeat

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guest he's always very fascinating got

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to meet him a few years ago in the great

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state of Maine and anyway excited to

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talk to him about a book that he

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published but also some research that

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he's doing now

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we were talking briefly ahead of the

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show and it sounds very interesting what

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he's up to and we'll get to that and

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welcome to the show

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thanks for having me on Martin I

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appreciate it yeah it's been a while I

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think it's been a few years since you've

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been on me even longer now how time

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flies doesn't it yeah yeah yeah so I

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liken that I just see in the background

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on YouTube for those watching on YouTube

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is that a UFO I'm looking at behind you

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yeah abduction things someone gave it to

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me oh it's a painting it's okay what's a

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painting yeah yeah that's nice it's got

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a cool little thing so yeah right and

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you are in Canada and a lot of people

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know you from the White House UFO that

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you you worked on for a long time going

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all the way back to you know Bill and

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Hillary Clinton and their kind of

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involvement I'd like to talk a little

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bit about that but for the person who

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most people know who you are but real

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quickly can you go into your background

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I know you had a sighting we're going to

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talk about that but kind of go into your

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background if you would real quickly

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okay yeah sure

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for a lot of researchers with the way it

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starts it started with me this is me

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this is actually starts in February of

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1975 a small town by the name of Carmen

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Manitoba Canada just north of the US

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border starts having sightings

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the US has just put in the only

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anti-ballistic missile unit that ever

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goes operational with 100 new nuclear

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missiles and southern on our side of the

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border we start getting these UFO

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sighting

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and I tell my friends you know instead

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of driving around the city which we used

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to do is young kids let's go see what

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they're looking at we say okay we're

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going to go we don't go

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we don't more three months and then this

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bizarre incident occurs where a TV

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studio is trying to film there's a bunch

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of TV people out there trying to film

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from different networks and they

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basically catch this thing which I think

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was basically planned when I look back

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thirty-five years later they catch this

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thing jumping off the ground and they

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film this thing it goes viral NBC picks

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it up and it's at that point where I

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said my friends quiet let's go look at

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they're looking at I have no interest I

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have an interest in near-death

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experiences and near-death studies I

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guess which I still have and I'm

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actually working on right now and on I

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was into Edgar Cayce seconds but I was

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never into UFOs could never have thought

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about extraterrestrials or anything and

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so we go out we're there for an hour we

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drive in this town of Carmen out in out

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in out and my friend says okay we'll go

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back in time one more time if we don't

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see anything let's go home I said

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fantastic because the total waste of

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time and as we turned to go back in the

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object appears from the left to the

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right is down low it's bobbing up and

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down and nobody in the car said because

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we had been for an hour

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zabba day we're looking at stars and

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planets more and is that what they're

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looking at it's over and nobody knew

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what they're looking at whatever he was

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talking describing when we saw it

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everybody just said there it is

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everybody instinctively knew there was

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no doubt this is what everybody was

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talking about he was just so bizarre and

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so I sort of fell off the edge of the

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earth two nights later I dragged all my

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friends out there and they all take off

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after an hour and when it comes the

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second night is coming red-ass the

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second night directly at us and at that

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point I was sort of thinking to myself

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this is a big story and I'm why is

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nobody doing this story why is nobody

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researching this thing is this the rumor

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was that half the town had seen this

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thing so I started going around I

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started interviewing people in the town

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and I put together this manuscript and

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this guy I guess about a year and a half

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later I try to get this manuscript

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published and nobody will touch this

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thing and it was a big story and the

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local publisher here who should have

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done the story said to me Mr Cameron you

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may believe in this kind of stuff count

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me among young believers

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horrified I got wow this is a biggest

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story I interviewed all these people and

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all these bizarre stories in this town

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and she wasn't interested at all and so

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from that point I've never really done

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sightings haven't been interested at all

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all been interested in is the second

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night when this thing was flying by I

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was looking at it and I've actually just

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done a paper on this I was watching this

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thing fly away the second night and I'm

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going that could be from another

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planet-- I was just sort of awestruck by

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this thing and there's people yelling

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and screaming and people be some guy

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taking photographs and stuff and I'm

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just watching this thing fly away into

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the north I'm thinking what are they

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doing it's like they weren't doing

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anything they're just flying along it

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was like just like just bizarre and and

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I to this day then I've always been

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interested in the whole thing of

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somebody must know what's going on here

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somebody must know what I saw somebody

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must know what this phenomena is and why

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they're here and that's all I've been

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interested in so I went through this

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thing and I chased the Canadian

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government and they were very active

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from 1950 to 54 I put the manuscript on

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the shelf actually it was my sister and

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it was actually gone for 25 years my

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sister's sort of like a I wouldn't call

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her a hoarder but she's like the the

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family historian and she kept this

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manuscript for I would say 30 years and

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then she brought the manuscript back and

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said remember you gave me this thing and

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I I didn't even remember I remember

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writing a couple of chapters I remember

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writing the old manuscript and so I went

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out to the Canadian government and as if

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you know the Canadian government story

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the Canadian government was linked in to

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Vannevar Bush and the defense people and

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in the United States so we tracked down

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through them all the different US

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officials that we believe the Canadians

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were dealing with and that led to dr.

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Eric Walker at Penn State University we

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chased him around he had 14 honorary

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Doctorate degrees was chairman of the

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board of the Institute for Defense

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analysis the top military think-tank in

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the in the United States co-developer

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the homing torpedo fifteen years

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president of Penn State University's big

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Ivy League Engineering College and he

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knew it was going on but he didn't want

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to talk about he was classified he said

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can't talk about this bug came for eight

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years I had a team of people that I I

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never really interact with people I'm

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always like I always had this joke that

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I stay one step removed from my victim

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so I had a bunch of people said oh I can

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get him to talk and I would give him the

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phone number and so a bunch of

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researchers from around the world we're

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talking to Walker and I was just

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basically recording what everybody was

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was getting and after eight years he

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stuck has that's a nothis let's just

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publish it we publish the thing and he

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kept talking even after we published was

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kind of weird and that's what led to the

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president because after Walker died I

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believe he died in 94 or something I

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went to to the ISIS to the Truman

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library because Walker had said that he

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was going to leave some files from he

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was the basically assistant secretary

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defense when he was invited to a series

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of briefings at wright-patterson Air

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Force Base dealing with the crash

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recovery and alien bodies and he

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admitted he was there I really didn't

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want to talk about it but he had this is

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when he was this assistant secretary

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defense for period of one year and he

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said he was going to leave those files

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at the Truman library so I went to the

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Truman library to find those files would

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Walker left there and they the files

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weren't there they had a few files on

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Walker but the files we were looking for

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weren't there and it was at that point

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where I said Amanda the president's the

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most powerful guy in the world me he's

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gotta know what's going on so that's

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when I asked archivist I said well so

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what he got on UFOs and they had a bunch

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of if you remember back in 52

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there was the overflow flight of the

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Capitol yeah and a bunch of people sent

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in telegrams to the president don't

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shoot me down mr. president oh shoot him

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down and then the week later the thing

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flew over again so they had all this

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telegrams but really didn't have that

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much I'm going it's kind of weird and

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that was in Independence Missouri and

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the Eisenhower library is just on the

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road it's maybe two hours down the road

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in Abilene Kansas so I said well I'll go

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to the Eisenhower library it's pretty

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close I'll go down there and I'll see

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what's going on there and and there was

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that point where I the eyes in our lab

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it's very sort of formal the archivist

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walk around in suits and stuff it's like

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really really formal and you have to do

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an interview to get to art to research

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there so I went there and they were I

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don't know what it was gonna research

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and all this or stuff and they had

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actually done before I got there I'd

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sent in this request to research and

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there was that point they had five five

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documents and one was the famous CIA

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Robertson patent report which is not

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it was authorized under Truman but it

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wasn't finished until Eisenhower so it's

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in the Eisenhower library so that

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document is there and but other than

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that they only had five documents and so

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I said well how many pages of files have

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you gotten you said twenty-eight million

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pages and I went this is sub strong here

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it's got five five documents in 28

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million pages because to me it was such

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an important subject so that's what led

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me on this track for I guess maybe I

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guess I worked on it 25 years I chased

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all the presidents I tried to find out

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which ones that had sightings I went to

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almost all the presidential libraries

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looking for documents and stuff and I

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found a couple of interesting things but

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there really wasn't much there and then

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to finish the history of what happened

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to me in 2012 I'm watching this lecture

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by Colin Andrews at UFO Congress don't

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want to be in the room not really

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interested in crop circles I'll only go

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because Colin Andrews is a major figure

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and that's why I have these download

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experience where I just boom and all

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this stuff comes into my head and

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basically answers the question that I

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had in 1975 what is going on what is

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this all about and it was this whole

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idea its non-local consciousness that's

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it well first other was consciousness

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then I realized it was non-local

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consciousness almost like you had John

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Hudson on the other week and it was the

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that was one of the things that popped

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into my head was the conversation

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between been rich and John Hudson where

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he said how did they get here how does

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the propulsion system work and been rich

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turns around and says exactly what

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Walker had said to us two years before

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exactly the same thing he said I'm asked

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a question

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woody nobody sp and so Walker died stat

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91 then Ben Richard asked John Hudson at

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1993 and when this all came into my head

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this is it it's this non-local

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consciousness thing came with absolute

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certainty and then I just shifted my

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focus from there into trying to deal

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with the people who are interacting with

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the phenomena so I deal a lot with

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experiencers I I deal a lot of I've

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tracked down

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I guess about 50 people who've flown the

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craft how do you fly the craft and

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they're all saying the same thing and

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it's this consciousness aspect which I

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maintain now is the answer and that

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unless you go down that road to conclude

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this whole thing you will never solve

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the problem

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to hear

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Tom DeLonge talks about this John

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Alexander has just written a book on

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consciousness the connection of

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consciousness if you look at the whole a

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tip thing it started at skinwalker ranch

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it didn't start with UFOs it started

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with the paranormal the portal stuff and

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so I've been chasing around Ron Pandolfi

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the head CIA guy the operational guy and

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he's been putting his portal thing out

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for two years and nothing is traceable

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he looks like he's the Mad Hatter he's

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just like crazy stuff but he keeps

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talking about this portal now John is

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talking about the portal now you hear

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that the like put off and these guys are

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talking about this these wormholes the

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portal and that's the whole thing it's

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this this whole idea of consciousness

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that if portals are real the nuts and

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bolts idea of the universe is in a lot

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of trouble it's it's not nuts and bolts

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where do you think it is and most people

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that's what they think it's like land on

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the White House lawn

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give us the toys and then get the heck

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out of here and that does it's much much

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more complex than that and maybe this is

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in the end maybe why ballet took off

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because valet is the guy that started

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this whole thing jackpot Lake this whole

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thing that I would be very surprised if

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this turns out to be extraterrestrials

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and that's it that's my opinion now and

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I just think ballet was crazy but it was

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the old thing about knowing and

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believing so before 2012 they had a lot

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of beliefs but when you have a download

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experience like that where it comes with

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absolute certainty then you know it sort

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of sort of like it doesn't really matter

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what people say it's almost like when I

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saw the UFO it's like people I was never

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interested in sightings anymore

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because I know this was not a light in

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the sky this was in fairly close and I

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had five fairly close observations in 75

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and 76 so it's that difference between

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knowing that people think well you

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thought you I believe you saw something

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else well no no I was there you're the

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one that believes I'm the one that knows

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I'm if there is such a thing as knowing

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the people who have any experiences so I

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spent a lot of time with experiences

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what are they saying what are they being

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told what are the 42 percent that are

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getting downloads what are they being

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told in these downloads forty percent

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say they've got the aunt at one point

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had the answer to everything in the

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universe and trying to tap into that

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whole thing to solve the mystery did you

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you turn down the volume volume is just

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a little bit there's a mechanism we're

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getting okay okay so they're like little

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yeah that's that is better so can you

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explain I heard you talk about this

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download thing before actually I think a

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few years ago can you explain exactly

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you said you were at the UFO Congress

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can is that when that happened and can

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you explain how that happened and what

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the experience was like well what it

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happens it's like when you zone out when

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you daydream and the I actually have a

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theory that I've developed an analogy

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which i think is pretty close to what

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actually happens and this gets into I

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wrote a whole book on downloads in music

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Nobel Prizes art savants hypnosis

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near-death experiences all's and I think

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it's all the same thing and the theory

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goes like this is the way I explain it

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the analogy there is only light in the

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universe there is no darkness darkness

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is not a thing unto itself all there is

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is light and the farther you get away

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from the light the darker gets so we as

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human beings live on the bottom of the

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ocean in almost total darkness and we

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think this is what our reality is we're

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sort of running around in the dark and

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we think this is what it is and from

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time to time like when I zoned out

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because I didn't want to be in this

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color managers lecture I was thinking

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about going across the river toad till

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Bullhead City to go to library I was

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thinking about going for lunch I had no

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interest in the thing that's the whole

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thing is it's the ability to dissociate

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to shut down your left brain which is my

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analogy and when I went to help put off

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I asked him about remote doing I went to

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help put off I said hell I think it's

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got do it left brain right brain if you

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could shut down the left brain the

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rational analytical brain then you can

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pop into this thing into this sort of a

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higher level and I said did you ever

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think about this set with remote viewing

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and he just said he wrote back in he

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wrote read chapter 6 so I go to his book

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and that's chapter 6 isn't the left

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brain thing so in 72 they had already

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figured this thing out and with health

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often with Russell Turk and and and

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whereas if you look at Evan Alexander

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who had the near-death experience a

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neurologist he says it's a neuro court

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the new brain the Eagle brain the the

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the rational analytical you can shut

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down the the neural cortex then you pop

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out so what I say is you're you're in

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this darkness and then like with me with

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with daydreaming or with people of

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meditation hypnosis drugs psychedelics

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drumming pain there's all these

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different methods where you can sort of

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rise up into the ocean and you go into

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closer to the light where you can see

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more so you're not the darkness anymore

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and suddenly you pick up like musicians

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will pick up these songs and this song

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comes complete and then they are like

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the for example give you a quick list of

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inventions the scientific method the

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alternating motor the periodic table the

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quantum atom Theory relativity laser

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hologram all came with these

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instantaneous sort of boom either in a

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dream or an instantaneous thing where

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you're in this lighter thing you're

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higher towards the light you can see

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more suddenly you get the impression of

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what's going on how does it fit together

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you go back down into the darkness and

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then you present your thing I had this

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dream last night I had this song I had

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this invention coming to my head and so

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that's the way I sort of look at it's

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the ability to shut down the ego brain

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which creates sort of a veil or almost

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like you know with the psychedelics in

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the 50s the hewlett-packard was using

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LSD with their with their engineers for

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creativity and it's the whole idea is

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that if you can if you can shut down

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this the the neural cortex or whatever

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whatever his thing is that's blocking

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the creating the veil you break through

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the veil you can pick this stuff up so

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and experiences we'll talk about this

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when you get 42 percent of all

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experiences say they have mathematical

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technical or scientific material in

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their head that they did not learn in

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school and for me it's it's like a

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no-brainer why would you not talk these

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people whatever you think given a lie

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detectors what have you got to do but to

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not talk to people who are claiming to

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be tapped into the same because I know

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if my own experience I'd probably I

542
00:20:16,659 --> 00:20:14,389
wouldn't have believed it if I had my

543
00:20:19,509 --> 00:20:16,669
own experience or if I hadn't done these

544
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,519
researches on Nobel Prizes and art and

545
00:20:22,810 --> 00:20:21,440
songs and stuff I know this stuff

546
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,820
happens and I think that's what they're

547
00:20:26,709 --> 00:20:24,799
doing they're being sort of drawn up and

548
00:20:27,470 --> 00:20:26,719
it's almost like the idea that that

549
00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:27,480
whatever the

550
00:20:32,540 --> 00:20:29,130
phenomen is whatever this intelligence

551
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:32,550
is it's almost like it's in the higher

552
00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:35,730
closer to the light and we're maybe

553
00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:37,830
ghosts and spirits and all this kind of

554
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:39,750
stuff almost like the if you ever heard

555
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:43,410
the the the bashar the chandler the

556
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:46,410
famous alien chandler guy at one point

557
00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:47,970
he has the expression we come to you in

558
00:20:52,670 --> 00:20:50,430
your dreams because now you're in our

559
00:20:54,530 --> 00:20:52,680
world and a lot of experiences will tell

560
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,540
me oh i was not abducted they just come

561
00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:56,400
to me in my dreams and so it's this

562
00:21:02,030 --> 00:20:58,890
whole idea it's it's the disassociation

563
00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:02,040
being pulled out of your your sort of

564
00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:05,100
logical analytical world in this world

565
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:07,500
where you you tap into this and they

566
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,610
move back down so that's that's

567
00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:09,840
basically where i describe what's going

568
00:21:15,380 --> 00:21:11,370
on wow wow

569
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:15,390
i remember stepping with Jack Weiner I'm

570
00:21:19,940 --> 00:21:18,090
sorry Jim Weiner from allagash abduction

571
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:19,950
and he was telling me about his brother

572
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:22,410
Jack one of the people supposedly

573
00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:25,890
abducted became absolutely brilliant in

574
00:21:29,540 --> 00:21:27,960
math did you ever hear that part yeah

575
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:29,550
yeah well all four of them were affected

576
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:31,170
they had the market the art their art

577
00:21:34,850 --> 00:21:32,970
change that's right it was the same

578
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:34,860
thing it's like they were was almost

579
00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:36,450
like something changed during that

580
00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:40,200
period and a lot of experiences will

581
00:21:43,790 --> 00:21:41,910
describe this there's the one that

582
00:21:49,460 --> 00:21:43,800
that's probably the most famous her name

583
00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:49,470
is hakama to mark she's sort of a she's

584
00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:50,460
a double savant

585
00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:53,750
she's a savant in poetry and a savant in

586
00:21:57,890 --> 00:21:55,950
art she's the one that painted this

587
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,900
famous picture of Jesus in the Garden of

588
00:22:01,730 --> 00:21:59,760
Gethsemane at eight years old and it's

589
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:01,740
worth like whatever you know whatever

590
00:22:05,780 --> 00:22:04,170
just unbelievable painting and she

591
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,790
describes this experience at five years

592
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:07,440
old where she actually disappears where

593
00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:08,940
they actually bring the police in and

594
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:11,190
they're looking here with her dogs and

595
00:22:15,380 --> 00:22:13,170
stuffing she disappears she describes to

596
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,390
her mother that she was taken by Jesus

597
00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:17,520
and she was thrown this thousand

598
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,020
different images that she's now starting

599
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:20,640
to paint she's about 22 and she's

600
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:22,770
painted these unbelievable things I

601
00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:24,840
talked to a woman who contacted me at

602
00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:25,980
Eureka Springs twice

603
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:28,500
she said that was an abduction I will

604
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:30,510
guarantee you I talked to the kid I

605
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:32,490
talked to her brother they described

606
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:34,650
what was going on and they described it

607
00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:36,930
as this Jesus experience and two years

608
00:22:39,890 --> 00:22:38,280
in a row she came to me static was here

609
00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:39,900
last year and then I said to her this

610
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:41,100
year I said Wow

611
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,450
how do you know this I mean how do you

612
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:45,120
know our dear either the the babysitter

613
00:22:49,820 --> 00:22:47,010
or what and she said no they they had

614
00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:49,830
this this book that they were studying

615
00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:52,470
the name escapes me but it was a sort of

616
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,030
channel book that the mother they had a

617
00:22:58,730 --> 00:22:56,880
study group and that's how she knew this

618
00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:58,740
and she talked to the kids and she said

619
00:23:02,060 --> 00:23:00,419
it had this connection this this is

620
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:02,070
where this girl was getting these these

621
00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:03,450
images and when you look at her painting

622
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:05,220
I mean it's unbelievable there's yeah

623
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:07,140
nobody could be like this girl I know

624
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:09,900
I've seen I've seen her work and I'm an

625
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:13,020
art appraiser so I kind of you know it

626
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:15,570
is fabulous and incredible that she

627
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:17,610
could paint especially starting out so

628
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:19,620
young those those type of people always

629
00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:21,809
baffle me one of the things you talked

630
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,820
about oh I think you said you were

631
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,440
talking about the alternator or Alden

632
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:27,360
aiding current maybe was that I know

633
00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:32,760
that Tesla mentioned that he just sort

634
00:23:38,539 --> 00:23:34,140
of had a vision on how that would work

635
00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:38,549
and the guy and he draws it in the sand

636
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,350
yeah he said she gets it he draws it in

637
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:41,760
the sand yeah that was the that was

638
00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:44,220
Tesla so a lot of these guys and that's

639
00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,870
what it is it's like you we sort of

640
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:47,700
think that these guys have high IQs and

641
00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:51,090
it's it's really not high IQs it's the

642
00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:53,159
ability to run this material that's what

643
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:54,600
I'd done because none of the stuff that

644
00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:56,100
appeared in my head was stuff that I had

645
00:24:01,520 --> 00:23:58,020
learned there's nothing news nothing was

646
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:01,530
you know completely unknown it was all

647
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:03,510
material that I had it was like somebody

648
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:05,940
had taken pieces of three pieces of a

649
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:07,370
puzzle and put them together

650
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,720
instantaneously like that and suddenly

651
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:11,820
you want oh and it suddenly all made

652
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:15,179
sense and I can what's that I'm sorry

653
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:18,480
like an epiphany yeah but the the key

654
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,980
thing was and it's so hard I say to

655
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:21,840
people the hardest thing to describe to

656
00:24:24,919 --> 00:24:23,940
people is the absolute certainty and if

657
00:24:26,419 --> 00:24:24,929
you listen to people talk about

658
00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:26,429
downloads they'll talk about this

659
00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:28,440
absolute certainty you don't have to

660
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,820
check this you don't you don't have to

661
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:31,679
analyze it does matter what anybody says

662
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:34,049
this is how it works I absolutely knew

663
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,090
this how it worked I was and and it did

664
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,919
turn out to be true that things started

665
00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:39,120
it was almost like that glasses on it

666
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:40,200
could read the signs after that

667
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,730
everything started to make sense once I

668
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,960
had that but it was this bizarre

669
00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:44,880
absolute certainty I walked around for

670
00:24:48,919 --> 00:24:46,830
two days I was just like in a daze it

671
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:48,929
was it was just like just I just amazed

672
00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:50,760
how this had come together and that's

673
00:24:54,020 --> 00:24:52,169
when I started to look and so when I

674
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:54,030
started looking at the phenomenon that's

675
00:24:56,539 --> 00:24:54,960
when I discovered that

676
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:56,549
yesterday one of the biggest produced

677
00:25:01,220 --> 00:24:58,890
songs in the 20th century was Paul Paul

678
00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:01,230
McCartney and came in a dream and then I

679
00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:02,760
realized oh there's something to this

680
00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:03,990
and I started looking and the more I

681
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:05,940
look the more I realized that this is

682
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,640
this is not unusual that people who are

683
00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:10,559
creative and that's why musicians are

684
00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:13,740
all right brained creative people so if

685
00:25:18,889 --> 00:25:15,390
you look at Roger Leir who did the

686
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:18,899
implant stuff yeah the 17 alien plants

687
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:21,330
Roger Leir was asked what's what's

688
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:24,360
common between all abductees that you've

689
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:25,860
done with the implants he said number

690
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,450
one they're all right brain creative

691
00:25:31,159 --> 00:25:29,640
people and number two all implants on

692
00:25:32,899 --> 00:25:31,169
the left side of the body and I went

693
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:32,909
around asking different abductee

694
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,100
researchers is that true all the

695
00:25:39,260 --> 00:25:36,960
implants on the left side and if that's

696
00:25:41,779 --> 00:25:39,270
true and that does seem to be a pattern

697
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,789
then the beings are not interesting

698
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:43,440
you're left rational medical brain

699
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:45,090
because the left side of your body is

700
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:46,860
run by your right brain it's completely

701
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:48,690
flipped over yeah so the less if they're

702
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:50,220
putting the implants on the left side of

703
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:52,620
the body they're affecting the right

704
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:54,600
brain which is the same one is the

705
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,370
inspiration it's the same one that the

706
00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:59,039
that artists use and it's this idea that

707
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,020
if you shut down the left brain the

708
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:02,960
rational analytical brain you zone out

709
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,010
whether you know whatever you're using

710
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:08,159
and the right brain can sort of tap into

711
00:26:12,620 --> 00:26:10,200
whatever this field is pull the material

712
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:12,630
into into this dark world that we live

713
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:16,080
in amazing we're coming right up on the

714
00:26:20,659 --> 00:26:17,520
break here in just a minute

715
00:26:23,389 --> 00:26:20,669
so we will I do want to talk a little

716
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:23,399
bit more about the red star because I

717
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:25,980
want to talk about what type of you know

718
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,140
what went on with that as far as the

719
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,760
research so when we come back we'll talk

720
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:32,159
a little bit about that and then we'll

721
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:35,010
get into some other things of course so

722
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:39,480
you're listening to kgr a radio my guest

723
00:26:45,049 --> 00:26:42,090
is grant Cameron and we'll be right back

724
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,059
right after these messages all right and

725
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:47,580
welcome back this is Martin Willis with

726
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:50,490
podcast UFO and my guest is grant

727
00:26:55,639 --> 00:26:54,299
Cameron and so I think we kind of

728
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:55,649
wrapped up what we were talking about

729
00:26:59,060 --> 00:26:57,720
before the break and I would like to

730
00:27:03,139 --> 00:26:59,070
talk to you just a little bit more about

731
00:27:05,860 --> 00:27:03,149
the red star because I know that was

732
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:05,870
like a major deal now I remember you

733
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:08,460
mentioned the term viral things didn't

734
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:11,220
go viral in a way that they do today you

735
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:13,080
know today there's YouTube and there's

736
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:15,330
you know other ways that think social

737
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:17,129
media the things go viral but back then

738
00:27:21,259 --> 00:27:19,049
when you're talking about viral you're

739
00:27:23,239 --> 00:27:21,269
talking about worldwide news right isn't

740
00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:23,249
that what happened yeah we had the

741
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:25,230
National Inquirer came up I believe

742
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:27,809
three times so I got to actually know

743
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,940
Bob Pratt who was and most people don't

744
00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:31,919
realize they sort of think the national

745
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:33,779
you know the tabloids as a bunch of

746
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:35,340
garbage and made-up stories and stuff

747
00:27:39,649 --> 00:27:37,529
and actually was exactly opposite when

748
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:39,659
it came to UFO stories the National

749
00:27:44,419 --> 00:27:42,059
Enquirer in 7576 they're the ones that

750
00:27:46,009 --> 00:27:44,429
did Travis a story they did the Larson

751
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,019
abduction they did the Pascagoula

752
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:48,480
they're the ones that broke that story I

753
00:27:53,419 --> 00:27:50,580
mean got it exposure and stuff I got and

754
00:27:55,820 --> 00:27:53,429
Bob Pratt was a guy who came up to do

755
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:55,830
the story he came out the first time I

756
00:27:59,060 --> 00:27:57,809
wasn't involved but then when he came

757
00:28:00,350 --> 00:27:59,070
back and they were gonna call it UFO

758
00:28:02,899 --> 00:28:00,360
capital of the world because it was not

759
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:02,909
only Manitoba what was happening it was

760
00:28:06,379 --> 00:28:04,289
down in the States and when I wrote the

761
00:28:09,019 --> 00:28:06,389
book I actually pulled all the US stuff

762
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:09,029
out of it because they gave me they had

763
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,460
to cut down from 120 thousand words to

764
00:28:14,629 --> 00:28:13,679
70 thousand words whatever and at that

765
00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:14,639
point I would never go back to a

766
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:16,830
publisher again it was sort of like just

767
00:28:19,580 --> 00:28:18,090
crazy I mean it was like they're telling

768
00:28:22,129 --> 00:28:19,590
you what to pull and you can't put this

769
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:22,139
in so basic it was Manitoba and then it

770
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:23,580
was like ran in a straight line down

771
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:26,039
through Minnesota and it ran down

772
00:28:30,889 --> 00:28:29,340
through through Wisconsin and part of

773
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:30,899
the story was if you know the story with

774
00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:33,779
John Alexander's advanced physics

775
00:28:37,879 --> 00:28:35,070
theoretical working group there was this

776
00:28:38,989 --> 00:28:37,889
story told about these when it was

777
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:38,999
written by the New York Times and they

778
00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:40,470
put out the book the UFO working group

779
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:41,940
they actually told the story about

780
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:45,360
Elmwood Wisconsin that was part of the

781
00:28:49,789 --> 00:28:47,580
same flap that's where the CIA sent two

782
00:28:51,499 --> 00:28:49,799
agents into that town that was getting

783
00:28:54,139 --> 00:28:51,509
inundated so wasn't just Manitoba it was

784
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:54,149
Manitoba and it was a line ran down

785
00:28:58,879 --> 00:28:55,710
through Minnesota down through Wisconsin

786
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,889
and actually up into Ontario and in

787
00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:00,480
Ontario they had some bizarre things

788
00:29:05,659 --> 00:29:02,100
that we never put in the book like they

789
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:05,669
were pulling these 15 foot triangles out

790
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:07,980
of the ground that were maybe six inches

791
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:11,490
deep and the entire triangle like 15

792
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,529
feet on a side six inches deep would be

793
00:29:17,149 --> 00:29:15,480
taken up and lift her over and put down

794
00:29:18,619 --> 00:29:17,159
and stuff like that so that was a kind

795
00:29:21,019 --> 00:29:18,629
of stuff we left out of the book but it

796
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:21,029
was just very bizarre stuff but when I

797
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:22,080
look back and

798
00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:23,370
I tried to describe this because a lot

799
00:29:29,899 --> 00:29:25,649
of people just get into UFOs now and I

800
00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:29,909
always tell them what happens now didn't

801
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:31,950
happen then and what happened then

802
00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:34,860
doesn't happen now it is and more I

803
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:36,360
think about it the more it is that this

804
00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:38,130
is almost like they're turning the pages

805
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:39,750
of a book and they're going through

806
00:29:44,779 --> 00:29:42,600
different things it starts with you know

807
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:44,789
in 1897 it starts through you know with

808
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:46,529
the the wood ships with the propellers

809
00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:48,330
then it goes to Foo Fighters on the

810
00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:50,190
edges of the plane then the Foo Fighters

811
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,630
go away then the green fireballs are

812
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:53,460
over top of the the nuclear power plant

813
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,260
so the Plutonian plants and stuff like

814
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:57,120
that in the late 40s and then the

815
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:59,700
Adamski crafts calm and then in 62 then

816
00:30:04,009 --> 00:30:01,260
suddenly 61 suddenly you get the

817
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:04,019
abduction start and what was going on in

818
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:07,500
75 was very simple stuff there was a

819
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:09,510
couple that looked like abduction cases

820
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:11,399
but at that time you gotta remember

821
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:13,320
there was really no abductions Travis

822
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:15,960
Walton was abducted the same year as as

823
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:19,289
my experience he was in November mine

824
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:21,330
was in Maine my first sighting so you

825
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:25,500
had Pascagoula case you had a Nebraska

826
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:27,690
police officer in 67 and you had Betty

827
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:29,100
and Barney Hill now was it four

828
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,539
abductions there was nobody talking

829
00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:32,159
about abductions right so we weren't

830
00:30:35,299 --> 00:30:34,169
really looking for abductions we had all

831
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,309
this stuff that doesn't happen now we

832
00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:37,500
had ground traces so you'd get like a

833
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:40,470
field where it would land in corn which

834
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:43,620
has you know stalks like this we take

835
00:30:47,899 --> 00:30:45,929
the corn down to almost a ground level

836
00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:47,909
and it would swirl this corn around and

837
00:30:52,639 --> 00:30:49,950
I'd go in and do these kind of things

838
00:30:55,639 --> 00:30:52,649
you'd have these landing traces simple

839
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,649
crop circles where the pod marks were in

840
00:30:58,759 --> 00:30:57,120
stuff that doesn't happen anymore that

841
00:31:01,220 --> 00:30:58,769
hasn't happened for 20 years these

842
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:01,230
ground traces thing that went away we

843
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:03,570
had stuff like people seeing windows

844
00:31:07,639 --> 00:31:05,370
that really doesn't happen much we had

845
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:07,649
the little guys with the would come out

846
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:09,690
of the craft with a little rod you know

847
00:31:11,629 --> 00:31:11,010
walking out the rod that doesn't happen

848
00:31:13,129 --> 00:31:11,639
anymore

849
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:13,139
now it's it's almost like they're

850
00:31:17,860 --> 00:31:14,820
turning the pages of a book so we had

851
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:17,870
those kind of bizarre experiences where

852
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:21,450
very dramatic but nothing the way now

853
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:26,580
like nobody channeling nobody talking

854
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:28,679
about being on the ship now that kind of

855
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,260
stuff but lots and lots of sightings you

856
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:32,880
know a big object coming little objects

857
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:34,500
coming out of it flying around going

858
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:35,700
back in

859
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,220
triangle slang upside down my own

860
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:40,320
experience is being very very close at

861
00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:43,380
one point I was from the one object

862
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:47,580
I was may hard to stay 50 feet very

863
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:49,289
close with an 8 millimeter movie camera

864
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:50,850
so it was that kind of thing where lots

865
00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:54,289
of sightings and we did have the one

866
00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:57,059
Sasquatch sighting which absolutely

867
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:59,130
there's no doubt sasquatches got to do

868
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:01,500
with UFOs and because most people when

869
00:32:05,899 --> 00:32:03,539
they do Sasquatch they talk about say

870
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,909
Oregon or Washington you got to come to

871
00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:07,500
Manitoba do you know where a man what

872
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,240
Manitoba's like it's like we have this

873
00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:11,519
joke here you can let your dog go and

874
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:13,559
watch him run away for days I mean it is

875
00:32:17,419 --> 00:32:15,450
the flattest area in the world and there

876
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,429
are no trees there's trees along

877
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,679
riverbanks but there are no trees so

878
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,840
this one incident occurred with one

879
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,940
sasquatch sighting was along and there

880
00:32:27,289 --> 00:32:25,440
was an Air Force Base outside of

881
00:32:29,899 --> 00:32:27,299
Winnipeg where I live small Air Force

882
00:32:31,879 --> 00:32:29,909
Base and this this thing had been seen

883
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:31,889
in the middle of the morning some woman

884
00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:33,539
had colic she had her kid shows up in

885
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,950
the middle of night this being is

886
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:36,720
looking in this nine-foot window she

887
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:38,970
freaks out the dog down the street is is

888
00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:42,899
on a chain and almost like chokes itself

889
00:32:46,220 --> 00:32:44,070
trying to get off the chain to try to

890
00:32:47,779 --> 00:32:46,230
get up and an Aboriginal tracker

891
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,789
actually shows me where this thing goes

892
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:50,159
along the riverbank was a couple of

893
00:32:54,019 --> 00:32:52,769
trees into this clearing and then you

894
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:54,029
see the footprints go into the middle of

895
00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:55,980
a clearing and the end they stop and the

896
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,200
broken branches and stuff like that so

897
00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:00,000
people would say okay it's it's hiding

898
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,039
somewhere you can't hide in Manitoba

899
00:33:06,259 --> 00:33:04,080
there's like one tree per mile I mean a

900
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:06,269
nine-foot being is not behind and so

901
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:08,340
absolutely convinced me when I saw this

902
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:10,110
this thing when this guy is describing

903
00:33:13,129 --> 00:33:11,700
this whole thing with the footprints end

904
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,139
in the middle of this clearing and then

905
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:14,880
they're gone and it was the same time

906
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,590
that there was cattle disappearing we

907
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:19,039
had one where they had these pmu horses

908
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:22,370
where the guy lost thirty two horses in

909
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,500
in one shot and the whole thing was that

910
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:27,480
he was a scam it was trying to get the

911
00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:29,010
insurance and all this kind of stuff and

912
00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:31,190
I talked to the kids about this and

913
00:33:35,659 --> 00:33:33,899
these the one kid was one year old when

914
00:33:38,539 --> 00:33:35,669
this happened I talked to him a couple

915
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:38,549
of years ago he said his entire life he

916
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:41,070
was ostracized in school because of what

917
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:42,510
had happen when he was one year old this

918
00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:44,070
thing about the horses disappearing and

919
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:45,779
stuff I got so he had these very bizarre

920
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:48,090
things where power being taken off some

921
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:49,250
guys hydro lying

922
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:51,779
$700 a month which in 75 was a lot of

923
00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:54,510
money coming off a hydro line and a lot

924
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:00,539
of landings very few actual being cases

925
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:03,299
and the one that I'm pretty sure was an

926
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,360
abduction case but I never did go back

927
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:08,820
because the the mother believed it was

928
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:12,810
the devil and so the father wanted the

929
00:34:19,399 --> 00:34:18,119
kid interviewed and I I was brought in

930
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:19,409
on Wednesday night when the mother went

931
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:23,940
to church and the father said okay you

932
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:26,970
tell Mr Cameron what you saw and he was

933
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:28,169
hiding behind his chair I can still

934
00:34:30,919 --> 00:34:29,730
remember this Tuesday this little Katie

935
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:30,929
was seven years old but he looked like

936
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,280
he's about five he's very very thin

937
00:34:37,069 --> 00:34:33,839
hiding behind his chair and there's a

938
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:37,079
room I said tell me and you just looking

939
00:34:39,379 --> 00:34:38,010
out from out of the chair he's looking

940
00:34:41,569 --> 00:34:39,389
at me and his father would tell the

941
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:41,579
whole story and this kid was urinating

942
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:43,169
does it have indoor plumbing there he's

943
00:34:48,319 --> 00:34:45,000
on the porch he's urinating and this

944
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:48,329
object appears 50 feet 50 feet away over

945
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:50,520
a tree and the branches are breaking off

946
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:52,409
this tree and his kids looking up and

947
00:34:55,879 --> 00:34:54,300
his horse he's got a horse and the horse

948
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:55,889
turns around Sonny was the name of the

949
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:57,510
horse and he runs into his little barn

950
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,880
and his kids standing there looking and

951
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:01,440
he's trying to get his sister and he's

952
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,490
yelling and screaming because the

953
00:35:08,809 --> 00:35:04,200
parents aren't home he's yelling yelling

954
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:08,819
at his sister to come out and he gets a

955
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:10,740
gun he gets a rifle he's never shot a

956
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:12,420
rifle before and rifle would be as big

957
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:14,010
as the kid and he got the rifle and he

958
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:15,119
was gonna shoot this thing he was so

959
00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:17,550
scared and so the father said I was I

960
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:18,990
threatened this kid I said if you're

961
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:20,730
lying to me I will strap you to with an

962
00:35:23,809 --> 00:35:22,530
inch of your life and he was just and

963
00:35:25,579 --> 00:35:23,819
the kid was just behind this chair and

964
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:25,589
he's just looking at me and then I I

965
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:26,910
didn't what to do so I took this little

966
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,440
scheme you know the schematic with all

967
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:30,720
the different UFO pictures on it and I

968
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:31,980
got on my knees and went in the middle

969
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:33,960
of the room and I put it down and I said

970
00:35:37,819 --> 00:35:35,550
Lonnie can you tell me what it looked

971
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:37,829
like and he crawled out from behind he

972
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,450
took one look anyway that one there and

973
00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:41,760
he pointed and I said and here's me and

974
00:35:46,030 --> 00:35:43,109
this kid on the floor in the middle of

975
00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:46,040
the room and I said Lonnie was it big

976
00:35:52,849 --> 00:35:49,400
house I said to have lights on it

977
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:52,859
heights all over it and they said I said

978
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:56,280
what color Oh different colors then they

979
00:36:00,800 --> 00:35:58,500
turned white and I said then he fly away

980
00:36:02,570 --> 00:36:00,810
went on the road and had moved to the

981
00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:02,580
road sit down sit on the road is

982
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:05,190
about 50 yards and then I said did it

983
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:06,840
fly later to go out like a light

984
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:09,090
Oh like alight and they'd pulled this

985
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:10,530
kid out of school because he had he had

986
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:12,810
all sorts of he had was bleeding and but

987
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:14,820
knows his hair was falling oh

988
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:16,170
all this kind of stuff they had actually

989
00:36:18,860 --> 00:36:17,460
pulled his kid out of school but they

990
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:18,870
would now the mother would not allow

991
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:20,310
this kid to be interviewed now I was

992
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,570
gonna go back later because this looked

993
00:36:25,610 --> 00:36:23,520
like I've sort of a classic sort of an

994
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,620
abduction type thing but he may have

995
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:26,880
gone in same way as his mother and

996
00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:28,140
believed this was the devil so I never

997
00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:29,670
really did go back and interview this

998
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:31,950
kid again so we had but very bizarre

999
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:35,190
stories of you know you hear these other

1000
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:37,470
places where it was called Charlie red

1001
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,510
star it was a red object everybody seen

1002
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:41,280
the same thing it was like a plasma

1003
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:44,970
glowing pulsing plasma object and this

1004
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,220
thing would come across in the early

1005
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,160
days when it first started because it

1006
00:36:54,740 --> 00:36:52,560
went on for over a year and it would go

1007
00:36:57,140 --> 00:36:54,750
over this they had a reservoir they're

1008
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,150
called Stevens field dam and this they

1009
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:58,560
were kids are drinking in the middle of

1010
00:37:02,750 --> 00:36:59,940
night and they were sitting on the deck

1011
00:37:04,580 --> 00:37:02,760
on the sort of the dock and they're

1012
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:04,590
drinking and that Charlie red star

1013
00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:06,810
appears and it shoots his beam down into

1014
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,630
the into the lake and they're looking at

1015
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,980
this thing and then this white object

1016
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:13,440
starts to appear under the water and it

1017
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:14,970
gets bigger bigger and then the object

1018
00:37:18,350 --> 00:37:16,440
starts coming towards them meanwhile

1019
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,360
this beam is still in the in the lake

1020
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:19,920
and the object is still sitting there

1021
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:21,240
and this white white thing is coming

1022
00:37:24,110 --> 00:37:22,740
just below the water just a couple

1023
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:24,120
inches below the water's coming towards

1024
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:25,770
it and they're they're freaking out and

1025
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,930
the one person takes a rock and throws

1026
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:29,280
it at this thing hits this white thing

1027
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:32,220
and it breaks into a about five pieces

1028
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:34,200
and these pieces go like this and they

1029
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:37,050
go back and reassemble where the beam is

1030
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:39,690
going in and back up into the craft and

1031
00:37:44,090 --> 00:37:41,490
craft flies away so it's very very

1032
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:44,100
bizarre things and a lot of landing

1033
00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:46,410
trace stuff stuff like that and I did

1034
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:48,150
some polls like I would do polls at the

1035
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:50,310
high school and I asked for example at

1036
00:37:54,350 --> 00:37:52,980
the high school how many kids have seen

1037
00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:54,360
something in the last two years that we

1038
00:37:58,340 --> 00:37:56,550
would consider to be a UFO and it was

1039
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:58,350
like fifty-nine percent I said how many

1040
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:01,560
people have seen a 747 jumbo jet without

1041
00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:03,450
seeing it on a pitcher just I actually

1042
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:05,460
seen a real and it was like thirty five

1043
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:07,260
percent or something it was very very

1044
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:08,730
high it was like over half the kids and

1045
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:10,260
then I go into towns where I was

1046
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:11,730
lecturing where they didn't have the

1047
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:13,020
sight he's it would be down to 11

1048
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:14,850
percent the national average but in

1049
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:16,200
towns around car

1050
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,750
it was very very high and then we had

1051
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:20,400
these these ground trace lights that's

1052
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:22,290
why I sort of quit it I don't know what

1053
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:24,420
happened after 76 because what happened

1054
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:25,740
and there's the big ones are flying

1055
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:28,020
around then I would get all these guys

1056
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:29,460
who say oh I can film this thing that's

1057
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:29,849
ok

1058
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:30,839
bring your cameras and they bring these

1059
00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:33,060
huge telephoto lenses out and all this

1060
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:34,230
kind of stuff and people from the

1061
00:38:36,859 --> 00:38:35,369
University and they're trying to film

1062
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,869
this thing as these things are flying

1063
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:39,839
around and we the first night we saw

1064
00:38:43,820 --> 00:38:41,970
these small ones on the ground and now

1065
00:38:45,380 --> 00:38:43,830
they're called orbs but in 75 there's

1066
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:45,390
nobody talking about orbs we called them

1067
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:46,980
ground lights and these things would

1068
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:49,140
appear on the road and the first night

1069
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:50,940
it's a long story but the first night

1070
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:53,820
that I saw them I got to within 50 feet

1071
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:55,560
of this thing and I had a camera I was

1072
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:57,210
running up eight millimeter movie camera

1073
00:39:01,339 --> 00:38:59,339
we had binoculars it was so close then

1074
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:01,349
there was actually written up in the

1075
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:03,960
paper there it was so close I said to my

1076
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:06,510
friend Jim I said Jim hold the camera

1077
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:08,310
I'm gonna jump on it and if you remember

1078
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:11,700
back in 75 and 70 in 67 there was a

1079
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:13,859
famous Steven mikkeluc case in in Falcon

1080
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:15,810
Lake so by then I had done some UFO

1081
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:17,400
research and I knew that Miculek had got

1082
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:20,310
burned really bad and I knew there was a

1083
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:22,140
chance I was gonna get burned but what

1084
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:23,339
had happened is we came up he was

1085
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,060
sitting on this on this a wooden bridge

1086
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:29,520
draining the water off the fields and it

1087
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:31,650
was this far from the edge of the bridge

1088
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:33,900
and it was so bizarre because it was so

1089
00:39:36,859 --> 00:39:34,890
bright you couldn't look out in the

1090
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:36,869
binoculars it was just dead terribly

1091
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:38,700
bright and yet it was just casting this

1092
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:41,099
glow on the side of the railing the

1093
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:42,810
wooden railing and it can still to this

1094
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,890
day I'm looking at this thing I think

1095
00:39:47,089 --> 00:39:45,660
why is it not lighting up the bridge so

1096
00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:47,099
we always called it a dead light it was

1097
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:49,080
intense light but it wasn't throwing any

1098
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:49,980
light off anyway

1099
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:52,650
so we'd gone to the bridge and it

1100
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,630
disappeared and so we looked under the

1101
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:55,680
bridges it's got to be under the bridge

1102
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:57,720
here and at that time the national choir

1103
00:40:04,070 --> 00:40:00,300
had an award there was a million dollars

1104
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:04,080
to produce a UFO in 75 so they had was

1105
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:05,609
called the Bates ball it had been

1106
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:07,650
discovered in a field in in Florida and

1107
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:09,930
it was a steel ball like a bowling ball

1108
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:11,849
but her steel had no seams on it and

1109
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:13,619
they were x-raying it and they'd put

1110
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,140
this thing in for this million-dollar

1111
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:18,240
reward so I said it's got to be one of

1112
00:40:21,260 --> 00:40:20,250
these one of these steel balls it's just

1113
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:21,270
turned the light off and it's underneath

1114
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:22,650
the bridge so we're looking we've got on

1115
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:23,760
the other side of the bridge and now

1116
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:24,839
it's behind us it's on the bridge again

1117
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:27,839
I go off to the bridge and we drive up

1118
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:29,220
on the bridge and it's gone again we

1119
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:29,680
look again

1120
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:32,050
can't fight went back into the north

1121
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:33,670
where we come from and it was at that

1122
00:40:37,350 --> 00:40:35,710
point I said this time let's walk

1123
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:37,360
because every time we drive the car up

1124
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:39,910
to the bridge it disappears and so I had

1125
00:40:43,230 --> 00:40:41,710
given him the camera and it was like

1126
00:40:45,330 --> 00:40:43,240
it's about to take off it's taken off

1127
00:40:46,830 --> 00:40:45,340
twice already and I'm gonna hit it it's

1128
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:46,840
like I'm like the the doubting Thomas

1129
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:48,550
you know unless I feel the wounds I

1130
00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:51,010
won't believe and I was like hold it I

1131
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:52,420
mean I'm gonna jump on it and I was

1132
00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:53,860
gonna go and I was gonna try to jump and

1133
00:40:57,420 --> 00:40:56,260
SWAT it to to touch it as it would tuck

1134
00:41:00,720 --> 00:40:57,430
off and I knew I was gonna get I could

1135
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:00,730
get burned and then my friend said well

1136
00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:02,110
what's on there's one I think there's

1137
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:03,820
one sitting on top of the car anyway

1138
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:05,530
what and I turned around and took the

1139
00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:07,570
binoculars and I looked into the north

1140
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:09,100
and looked like the Sun coming up north

1141
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:11,050
and it was this orange things on top of

1142
00:41:15,810 --> 00:41:13,510
the car this orange semi-sphere on top

1143
00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:15,820
of the car and this orange smoke hanging

1144
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:17,320
down the side of the car anyway it's

1145
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:18,850
sunny right on top of the car and I took

1146
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:20,410
five steps I started to run and

1147
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,270
immediately I knew oh shoot I turned

1148
00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:23,680
around of course the one of the bridges

1149
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:26,260
gone and so we ran back and it moved on

1150
00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:27,310
to the front hood you could see it

1151
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:28,420
looked like the inside of the car was on

1152
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:30,190
fire and then went down on the road and

1153
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:31,450
into the water there was water all over

1154
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:33,700
in the fields and then I tried to talk

1155
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:35,050
my friend and going back as it was back

1156
00:41:37,860 --> 00:41:36,760
at the bridge again but he wouldn't go

1157
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,870
back so I had these kind of experiences

1158
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:40,240
I was five times I was really close five

1159
00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:42,490
times so to me there was never any doubt

1160
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:43,960
what this was and I sort of feel sorry

1161
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:45,460
for people because a lot of times I go

1162
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:47,170
to a conference and I'll say let's go do

1163
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:49,210
sky watch and I go no I don't do sketch

1164
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:51,490
I've been there I don't do no sighting

1165
00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:53,230
stuff I'm more interested in what

1166
00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:54,340
they're doing what's what's the message

1167
00:41:57,450 --> 00:41:56,080
all kinda stuff oh no and then we'd go

1168
00:41:58,980 --> 00:41:57,460
out and they're there you know fighting

1169
00:42:00,360 --> 00:41:58,990
about this thing's moving it's moving no

1170
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:00,370
it's not it's the star it's a planet no

1171
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:02,170
it's moving and I go like man you guys

1172
00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:03,400
saw what I saw I'm going to bed like you

1173
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:05,260
guys waste your time and you saw what I

1174
00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:07,930
saw you'd know this is for real so I was

1175
00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:09,700
lucky that I saw it five times up close

1176
00:42:14,430 --> 00:42:11,740
and I got lucky a number of times in

1177
00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:14,440
terms of how things fit together as I

1178
00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:16,600
did my research that to me I always say

1179
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:20,260
is a Super Bowl of all stories I was

1180
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:22,510
lucky enough to play in the game and I

1181
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:24,460
met got to meet some unbelievably

1182
00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:27,130
important people in my life and I got

1183
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:29,140
some very very bizarre stories that

1184
00:42:32,220 --> 00:42:30,490
happened during my life I didn't have a

1185
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,230
lot I had the Chris Bledsoe story which

1186
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:34,240
you've probably heard and I've had a

1187
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:36,130
couple messages from aliens that turned

1188
00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:37,690
into books and stuff like that I have an

1189
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Eddie

1190
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:40,570
directrix but the odd time so when

1191
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:41,950
somebody's got a message from an alien

1192
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:43,510
intended for me I'll listen

1193
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:44,860
carefully because I've had these

1194
00:42:49,950 --> 00:42:47,530
experiences where it's for some reason

1195
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,960
it seems to turned out to to lead to

1196
00:42:55,770 --> 00:42:52,240
something Wow Wow

1197
00:43:05,100 --> 00:42:55,780
so you mentioned earlier you're filming

1198
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,110
I'm getting a little more okay one of

1199
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:06,880
the things you mentioned is filming you

1200
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:09,130
8-millimeter I think you said did you

1201
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,760
get any good video of this well what

1202
00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:15,040
happened I had three three minutes yeah

1203
00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:16,870
if you remember back then you film it in

1204
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:18,940
three minutes these little things I've

1205
00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:20,950
still got them and I don't got this

1206
00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:22,870
thing analyzed two years ago when I when

1207
00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:27,400
the the publishing company was actually

1208
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:29,260
a bizarre story that happened with

1209
00:43:36,330 --> 00:43:34,660
Charlie red star there was a producer in

1210
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:36,340
Toronto Canada who wanted to do the book

1211
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,370
she wanted to option the book for a

1212
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:42,160
movie and this gets into this mission

1213
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:44,110
drama if you followed my story of

1214
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,390
Richard mission drama and how I got the

1215
00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:48,160
message from the alien and I got dragged

1216
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:49,840
into that whole story she wants to do

1217
00:43:54,990 --> 00:43:51,970
this the thing so what happens is that

1218
00:43:57,690 --> 00:43:55,000
this dunder and publishing she sets it

1219
00:43:59,730 --> 00:43:57,700
up I cancel it I deep-six the project

1220
00:44:00,840 --> 00:43:59,740
then she sets up the book again and I

1221
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:00,850
say well I better not embarrass my

1222
00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:02,470
friend a second time so I go ahead with

1223
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:04,360
the book and it was at that point when I

1224
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:06,250
go ahead and got these films analyzed I

1225
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:09,160
went and got them pretty processed like

1226
00:44:13,770 --> 00:44:11,830
took him in 76 and I didn't get him

1227
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:13,780
processed till like two years ago Wow

1228
00:44:20,010 --> 00:44:16,810
and so I'm pretty sure I know the clip

1229
00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:20,020
where we were because what was happening

1230
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:22,780
was we would drove the car back and then

1231
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:24,850
I would take seven steps takes three

1232
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:26,710
seconds of film seven steps three

1233
00:44:29,850 --> 00:44:28,330
seconds of film seven steps we said

1234
00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:29,860
because it had taken off twice already

1235
00:44:33,870 --> 00:44:31,780
so I was taking these films as those

1236
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:33,880
going along to make sure I got as much

1237
00:44:38,070 --> 00:44:35,950
as I could before cuz I figured was

1238
00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:38,080
gonna take off and which it did end up

1239
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:41,080
getting rid of us but so I think I know

1240
00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:43,570
what it was and I produced one but it's

1241
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:44,830
the old thing it's like when you when

1242
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,700
you take when you're holding an eight

1243
00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:47,680
millimeter movie camera and it's like

1244
00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:49,180
pitch black like there is nothing this

1245
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:50,680
is the middle of nowhere there's there's

1246
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:52,990
even the road disappears it's going

1247
00:44:56,170 --> 00:44:54,610
towards the American border and then

1248
00:44:57,849 --> 00:44:56,180
suddenly it's a gravel road and then it

1249
00:44:59,140 --> 00:44:57,859
dirt road and then it's served like you

1250
00:45:01,089 --> 00:44:59,150
can sort of see there's a road there and

1251
00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:01,099
that's it you know and so is that kind

1252
00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:03,380
of thing so it's the orange ball is

1253
00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:05,420
bouncing around on the thing so it's

1254
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,190
it's not that good but the one where I

1255
00:45:11,049 --> 00:45:09,200
got very close I'm pretty sure I've got

1256
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:11,059
the one and then a couple these angel

1257
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:12,530
things appeared on some of the video now

1258
00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:13,910
I don't worry that came from look like

1259
00:45:16,809 --> 00:45:15,260
angels without heads

1260
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:16,819
it was just appeared in one of the films

1261
00:45:22,030 --> 00:45:20,390
so I had these three three-minute things

1262
00:45:23,710 --> 00:45:22,040
that I got processed and of course what

1263
00:45:25,450 --> 00:45:23,720
happened was it was like the old UFO

1264
00:45:27,970 --> 00:45:25,460
film in the 70s the same thing he'd go

1265
00:45:29,470 --> 00:45:27,980
and you'd say okay this is gonna look

1266
00:45:30,910 --> 00:45:29,480
like there's nothing on it but I still

1267
00:45:32,589 --> 00:45:30,920
want you to process and it was the same

1268
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:32,599
thing and it came back and they charged

1269
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:34,130
me all this money and I go and then I

1270
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:35,569
went and looked on my you know they give

1271
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:37,849
you the Rita or the the DVD and I go and

1272
00:45:41,799 --> 00:45:39,170
look and there's no video and I go back

1273
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:41,809
and I said where's the video and they

1274
00:45:46,030 --> 00:45:44,180
said well we did it nice to know you

1275
00:45:47,950 --> 00:45:46,040
didn't there's one but the other two are

1276
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,960
processed and then we I fought with him

1277
00:45:50,799 --> 00:45:49,280
for a couple days and then finally they

1278
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,809
said oh they told us there's nothing on

1279
00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:52,880
I said it says right on the instructions

1280
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:54,260
it may look like there's nothing on it

1281
00:45:58,180 --> 00:45:56,450
process it anyway I'm paying for this

1282
00:46:00,130 --> 00:45:58,190
and then they processed it and then this

1283
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,140
object appeared like most of the film's

1284
00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:02,000
black and then it was just this period

1285
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:04,190
ray of this orange and it was orange and

1286
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:06,230
it only appeared orange the first two

1287
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:07,970
nights after that it sort of turned

1288
00:46:10,809 --> 00:46:09,530
white and then what would happen is it

1289
00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:10,819
was there all the time we could flash

1290
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:13,480
lights at it and it would flash back and

1291
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,490
this kind of stuff and I would start

1292
00:46:20,349 --> 00:46:18,319
take people out and this is where as my

1293
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,359
career ended with this sighting nonsense

1294
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:22,160
I take people out there and they would

1295
00:46:24,849 --> 00:46:23,210
say the same thing you need luck and

1296
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:24,859
we're looking towards the US border I'm

1297
00:46:28,270 --> 00:46:26,510
going to call mile road so every mile

1298
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:28,280
there's a road and every mile there's a

1299
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:29,930
road this ways you can tell exactly how

1300
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:32,089
many miles you are in any direction just

1301
00:46:34,809 --> 00:46:33,440
by keeping in the back of your head

1302
00:46:36,819 --> 00:46:34,819
where you are so we'd be there and then

1303
00:46:38,410 --> 00:46:36,829
they say oh it's just a car coming down

1304
00:46:40,089 --> 00:46:38,420
the road I'd say no it's not a car yeah

1305
00:46:41,770 --> 00:46:40,099
it's a car car coming down there I said

1306
00:46:43,329 --> 00:46:41,780
there's nothing down that road this is a

1307
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:43,339
like an abandoned Road and that's how do

1308
00:46:46,359 --> 00:46:44,510
you think's gonna take the car to get

1309
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:46,369
here Nick five minutes and five minutes

1310
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:48,410
I go still think it's car and nickel no

1311
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,089
it's not a car and then we'd flashlights

1312
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:51,680
out it would flash back and stuff then

1313
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:53,510
it's it what's a firmly and that's okay

1314
00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:55,130
let's go down the road we go down the

1315
00:46:58,690 --> 00:46:56,510
road and then you convince them it's not

1316
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,700
it firmly and then they say that's kind

1317
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:00,079
of weird let's go behind it let's go

1318
00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:01,369
down the next Mile Road come around from

1319
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:03,740
behind it we try that we try drive down

1320
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:04,970
the road somebody you'd roll into the

1321
00:47:08,260 --> 00:47:06,530
ditch you'd push this thing down because

1322
00:47:09,970 --> 00:47:08,270
we'd follow the car back down and then

1323
00:47:10,270 --> 00:47:09,980
you go back and you'd watch the car go

1324
00:47:11,770 --> 00:47:10,280
by

1325
00:47:13,660 --> 00:47:11,780
and then you're waiting for this ball to

1326
00:47:14,830 --> 00:47:13,670
come sailing by and of course it

1327
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,840
wouldn't it was almost like the

1328
00:47:18,310 --> 00:47:16,640
skinwalker ranch thing not only did it

1329
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:18,320
know what you were doing it knew what

1330
00:47:21,790 --> 00:47:19,790
you were about to do you could not fool

1331
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:21,800
a thing so I would take these films and

1332
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:24,650
we do infrared we flashed lights at it

1333
00:47:28,030 --> 00:47:26,150
it would flash back and we do these

1334
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:28,040
infrared photographs and stuff like that

1335
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:29,420
but other than that it was a total waste

1336
00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:29,810
of time

1337
00:47:32,890 --> 00:47:31,670
and so people say okay I've got this

1338
00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:32,900
bunch of people that want to go it again

1339
00:47:36,580 --> 00:47:33,950
I say okay here's how it works

1340
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:36,590
you go down highway three turn at 205 go

1341
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:38,450
two miles down 205 turned towards the US

1342
00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:40,490
border have a good time I'm not going

1343
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:42,500
I'm totally burned up by this thing and

1344
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:44,140
I don't know what happened after that

1345
00:47:49,650 --> 00:47:46,610
whether people kept going but it was

1346
00:47:52,510 --> 00:47:49,660
there and then I had the experience in

1347
00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:52,520
76 where I've got a group of kids with

1348
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:54,590
me and that was people always ask me

1349
00:47:58,780 --> 00:47:57,050
have you ever been abducted and I say if

1350
00:48:01,810 --> 00:47:58,790
I was abducted this is when it happened

1351
00:48:03,250 --> 00:48:01,820
and this was we had seen one of these

1352
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:03,260
things and it was in a different spot

1353
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:05,900
these lights and one would do the tricks

1354
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:07,190
and there would be one that would be

1355
00:48:10,510 --> 00:48:08,720
dimmed down and one would do the tricks

1356
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:10,520
you'd flash it and this one would pulse

1357
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,170
back three times or go side to side

1358
00:48:15,850 --> 00:48:13,760
whatever you whatever you did with the

1359
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:15,860
flashlight and the other one would would

1360
00:48:19,450 --> 00:48:17,930
sort of move off the road and I saw them

1361
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:19,460
and I took these kids I said look here's

1362
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:20,930
some new ones so I take the kid I took

1363
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:22,670
the first kid out I flash the lights

1364
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:24,650
things flash back three times and these

1365
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:25,970
kids all getting all excited and it's

1366
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:28,040
about 14 years old all excited and then

1367
00:48:30,670 --> 00:48:28,850
it's to get your brother

1368
00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:30,680
let's get your brother out and I took

1369
00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:32,030
the brother out and that's when I

1370
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:34,340
flashed this thing at the at the object

1371
00:48:37,870 --> 00:48:36,590
and it made this beeping whistling noise

1372
00:48:40,110 --> 00:48:37,880
one of the few times ever heard noise

1373
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:40,120
and it was like a Morse code but it's

1374
00:48:45,490 --> 00:48:42,890
like a whistling noise and I'm going oh

1375
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:45,500
my god it was like there's nothing in

1376
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:48,610
this thing and I'm thinking to myself

1377
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:52,250
I've got it upset now and the big ones

1378
00:48:55,810 --> 00:48:53,900
gonna come down and I looked on the

1379
00:48:57,730 --> 00:48:55,820
American border and there's this huge

1380
00:48:59,410 --> 00:48:57,740
arc welding like on the American border

1381
00:49:02,170 --> 00:48:59,420
and I and I've described it you will

1382
00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:02,180
hear people describe this they there's

1383
00:49:05,530 --> 00:49:04,760
no words in the world to describe how

1384
00:49:08,650 --> 00:49:05,540
scary you are

1385
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:08,660
it's unbeliev I was absolutely petrified

1386
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:11,210
and so I said to the kid I said let's go

1387
00:49:15,070 --> 00:49:13,130
back to cars so we go back to the car we

1388
00:49:17,260 --> 00:49:15,080
get in the car and he goes he in the

1389
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:17,270
backseat and I'm sitting there and and

1390
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:19,850
I'm looking we're sitting parallel to it

1391
00:49:23,859 --> 00:49:22,370
so it's out the passenger window and I'm

1392
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:23,869
trying to not look at it and

1393
00:49:29,499 --> 00:49:25,490
I'm just absolutely sweating I'm just

1394
00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:29,509
like deadly scared and they told me that

1395
00:49:32,650 --> 00:49:30,950
when it went over the top of the small

1396
00:49:34,269 --> 00:49:32,660
objects this blue light came down and

1397
00:49:35,410 --> 00:49:34,279
then it went around and I could see it

1398
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:35,420
other corner of my eye and it was still

1399
00:49:38,589 --> 00:49:36,950
this arc welding light and I'm saying

1400
00:49:40,089 --> 00:49:38,599
don't turn don't turn don't turn and it

1401
00:49:41,890 --> 00:49:40,099
starts to turn a gun no no don't turn

1402
00:49:43,509 --> 00:49:41,900
and then it turns down the road and

1403
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:43,519
suddenly it's a triangle and it's

1404
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:46,490
flooded with the flat end towards us two

1405
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:48,170
red lights and a green light in the back

1406
00:49:51,999 --> 00:49:49,910
and it's and it's tilted on an angle and

1407
00:49:53,950 --> 00:49:52,009
it came right above the car and I'm

1408
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:53,960
telling you scared you can't believe it

1409
00:49:57,730 --> 00:49:56,390
is right above me and I said to the kids

1410
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,740
I said you mean my binoculars they're

1411
00:50:00,460 --> 00:49:58,880
jumping around they're all excited

1412
00:50:01,989 --> 00:50:00,470
you're jumping around I'm petrified

1413
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,999
these kids aren't coming home or being

1414
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:04,400
abducted whatever and I took it with the

1415
00:50:06,970 --> 00:50:05,630
binoculars I'm holding the the

1416
00:50:09,279 --> 00:50:06,980
binoculars against the inside of the

1417
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:09,289
glass my hands were shaking so bad and I

1418
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:10,970
can tell you it was either very close or

1419
00:50:16,269 --> 00:50:14,240
very big because it was the entire field

1420
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,279
of vision it was that big it was in the

1421
00:50:19,390 --> 00:50:17,599
entire field of vision and I'm looking

1422
00:50:20,289 --> 00:50:19,400
up at this thing and I had another one

1423
00:50:21,789 --> 00:50:20,299
you may have heard some of these

1424
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,799
descriptions I had a guy who was flying

1425
00:50:25,779 --> 00:50:24,079
a plane who described this it was like

1426
00:50:27,609 --> 00:50:25,789
you cut a film and you put the film back

1427
00:50:29,259 --> 00:50:27,619
together you cut the film put it back

1428
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:29,269
together and it starts to move again it

1429
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:30,920
was sitting like this on an angle above

1430
00:50:35,170 --> 00:50:33,710
us and it just moved that much to the

1431
00:50:37,029 --> 00:50:35,180
left you smell like that just a

1432
00:50:39,130 --> 00:50:37,039
slightest little bit to left the fear

1433
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:39,140
instantly went away it's gone no fear

1434
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:41,390
whatsoever it just moved and that

1435
00:50:44,650 --> 00:50:42,890
started to sort of fly away towards his

1436
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:44,660
microwave tower clearly could see this

1437
00:50:47,859 --> 00:50:46,700
triangle of lights suddenly there's his

1438
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:47,869
lights behind me the Royal Canadian

1439
00:50:52,089 --> 00:50:49,970
Mounted Police are there and they come

1440
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:52,099
in and and third lights are flashing and

1441
00:50:54,999 --> 00:50:53,839
I said to the kids I said watch I'm

1442
00:50:57,009 --> 00:50:55,009
gonna get this guy because they had

1443
00:50:58,509 --> 00:50:57,019
actually been involved in the early days

1444
00:50:59,920 --> 00:50:58,519
when national choir was there the

1445
00:51:01,779 --> 00:50:59,930
National Enquirer interviewed two guys

1446
00:51:03,009 --> 00:51:01,789
never transferred out and in Canada you

1447
00:51:04,569 --> 00:51:03,019
get transferred out you could be in the

1448
00:51:05,859 --> 00:51:04,579
Arctic you don't want to get transferred

1449
00:51:08,529 --> 00:51:05,869
out if you're on the Canadian border

1450
00:51:10,299 --> 00:51:08,539
and so this guy came up and he said

1451
00:51:11,799 --> 00:51:10,309
watch I'm gonna get this guy so he rolls

1452
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:11,809
down the window says so what's going on

1453
00:51:15,549 --> 00:51:13,970
here and I said see that object there

1454
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:15,559
and this triangle clears they this

1455
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:16,670
triangle is flying towards this

1456
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:18,410
microwave tower and he goes yeah I see

1457
00:51:22,299 --> 00:51:20,089
it and I said oh we're watching these

1458
00:51:24,099 --> 00:51:22,309
lights on the road no more mention about

1459
00:51:25,150 --> 00:51:24,109
the triangle just you see it yeah weird

1460
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,160
watching these lights in the road he

1461
00:51:29,049 --> 00:51:27,920
said what lights and then I said we'll

1462
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:29,059
turn your lights off he's got the

1463
00:51:32,620 --> 00:51:30,950
flashers going on also stop I'll show

1464
00:51:34,059 --> 00:51:32,630
you so the kids are outside they're

1465
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:34,069
jumping around rather and this is like a

1466
00:51:37,059 --> 00:51:35,690
federal police officer comes and he

1467
00:51:37,570 --> 00:51:37,069
turns all his lights off turns the car

1468
00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:37,580
off

1469
00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:38,780
and we go and I think and there's

1470
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:40,550
nothing malakas can be I take the

1471
00:51:43,870 --> 00:51:41,810
flashlight put it up in the air put it

1472
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,880
back down this orange lake the sir

1473
00:51:47,170 --> 00:51:45,440
oranges white light comes up goes back

1474
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:47,180
down I go from side to side this thing

1475
00:51:52,330 --> 00:51:49,910
started moving he's lucky

1476
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:52,340
and then he goes oh it's probably just a

1477
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,330
couple of guys down at the end of the

1478
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:55,040
road having a beer I said well we've

1479
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:56,330
been we've been following it for eight

1480
00:51:59,230 --> 00:51:58,010
miles now and I guess he suddenly

1481
00:52:00,970 --> 00:51:59,240
realized cuz I'd been written up in the

1482
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:00,980
paper for jump wanting to jump on this

1483
00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:01,250
one

1484
00:52:06,550 --> 00:52:04,460
the sightings RCMP officers been and he

1485
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:06,560
suddenly realized hi this is the UFO guy

1486
00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:08,810
and I'm not going on the record here and

1487
00:52:11,770 --> 00:52:10,100
he said okay I guess we'll see you guys

1488
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,780
and he starts walking towards his car

1489
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:13,280
and then he's going a little faster a

1490
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:14,810
little faster and I said to the kids get

1491
00:52:18,190 --> 00:52:16,250
his license-plate number and he starts

1492
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:18,200
to running jumps in the car and starts a

1493
00:52:21,490 --> 00:52:19,970
car and he takes off the gravel slang

1494
00:52:23,770 --> 00:52:21,500
and these three kids are running down

1495
00:52:25,330 --> 00:52:23,780
after a federal police officer with the

1496
00:52:26,650 --> 00:52:25,340
flashlights and we got his license plate

1497
00:52:28,330 --> 00:52:26,660
number I was gonna go and bug him but

1498
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:28,340
that figure not honor ruin his career

1499
00:52:31,810 --> 00:52:30,020
but those are kind of experiences we had

1500
00:52:34,170 --> 00:52:31,820
but we didn't you know it was sighting

1501
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:34,180
stuff it was you know very simple stuff

1502
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:36,920
very exciting to be in and it was only

1503
00:52:40,180 --> 00:52:38,450
the one time when it turned on us

1504
00:52:42,130 --> 00:52:40,190
like before we were chased at all the

1505
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:42,140
time kids was going so slow you can

1506
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:43,970
actually catch up on it it was that slow

1507
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:46,730
and I'm so low to the ground so it was

1508
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,710
an exciting time wow that really sounds

1509
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:51,440
like something we have just less than a

1510
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:51,710
minute

1511
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,200
coming up on the break here when you're

1512
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:56,720
talking about this happening over and

1513
00:53:00,340 --> 00:52:58,490
over again you know maybe you only have

1514
00:53:02,590 --> 00:53:00,350
much time to talk about it but I'd like

1515
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:02,600
to talk about it after the break break

1516
00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:06,050
and and why do you suppose there's flaps

1517
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:09,500
why do you say if it is is let's just

1518
00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:11,930
say as a terrestrial why is it by

1519
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:13,550
singing it over and over and over again

1520
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,710
at night after you I mean again well I

1521
00:53:24,670 --> 00:53:20,720
can explain in in 30 seconds I can

1522
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:24,680
explain why it happened to us in 1975 in

1523
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:27,230
February of 1975 the Americans put the

1524
00:53:31,780 --> 00:53:29,510
only anti-ballistic missile unit ever to

1525
00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:31,790
go operational hundred nuclear missiles

1526
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:34,190
North Dakota had 300 Minuteman nuclear

1527
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:35,930
missiles would take out every country in

1528
00:53:39,490 --> 00:53:37,640
the world and then they put in another

1529
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:39,500
hundred was pre Star Wars this is 75

1530
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:41,090
there on the ground you put on a hundred

1531
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:42,830
new nuclear missiles they put them in in

1532
00:53:46,750 --> 00:53:45,050
February the sightings start immediately

1533
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:46,760
they started taking them out they

1534
00:53:50,350 --> 00:53:48,260
negotiated with the Russians in November

1535
00:53:50,890 --> 00:53:50,360
you start taking them out the UFOs went

1536
00:53:54,310 --> 00:53:50,900
away

1537
00:53:56,590 --> 00:53:54,320
amazing amazing and your since you did

1538
00:53:59,110 --> 00:53:56,600
that in perfect time so alright everyone

1539
00:54:00,940 --> 00:53:59,120
you're listening to kgr a radio my guess

1540
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:00,950
is grant Cameron and we'll be right back

1541
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:03,440
alright welcome back this is Martin

1542
00:54:10,660 --> 00:54:06,710
Willis with kgr a radio on podcast UFO

1543
00:54:12,430 --> 00:54:10,670
my guest is grant Cameron so grant we

1544
00:54:14,740 --> 00:54:12,440
were talking about flaps before the

1545
00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:14,750
break and so I understand mean that's

1546
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:17,300
really amazing that there was some you

1547
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:20,810
know nukes and how that you know seemed

1548
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:23,690
to stir up all the sightings and that's

1549
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:25,730
one of the one of the earlier things

1550
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:29,710
that I'd heard about you know UFOs is

1551
00:54:36,250 --> 00:54:33,050
their attraction to nuclear weapons and

1552
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:36,260
and all that and which is really

1553
00:54:41,470 --> 00:54:38,090
fascinating but how do you suppose that

1554
00:54:43,860 --> 00:54:41,480
other flaps that don't involve any

1555
00:54:46,090 --> 00:54:43,870
nuclear weapons I mean how can you

1556
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:46,100
envision the purpose of how those things

1557
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:50,240
happen well I mean I've got a theory

1558
00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:53,450
like you've got the the new atom project

1559
00:54:58,840 --> 00:54:57,260
by to the stars the research project and

1560
00:55:00,640 --> 00:54:58,850
every uses acronym so I got my own

1561
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:00,650
little acronym for my own little new

1562
00:55:05,710 --> 00:55:01,670
project it's called

1563
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:05,720
TTL W the theory of Wow and the more I

1564
00:55:09,130 --> 00:55:07,310
look at UFOs the more I think it's got

1565
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:09,140
to do with the theory of wow it's really

1566
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:10,400
got nothing to do with anything it's

1567
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:13,910
it's basically all messaging and so you

1568
00:55:17,650 --> 00:55:15,410
take a look at cattle mutilations for

1569
00:55:20,290 --> 00:55:17,660
example if you like a David Perkins

1570
00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:20,300
David Perkins the got maybe the biggest

1571
00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:22,670
collection of cattle mutilations says

1572
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:24,800
it's all downwind and downstream from

1573
00:55:29,230 --> 00:55:27,290
nuclear power activities and so you look

1574
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,240
at the connection there that you may not

1575
00:55:34,180 --> 00:55:31,520
see it immediately or always say like

1576
00:55:36,850 --> 00:55:34,190
with calculations like I say at the

1577
00:55:39,490 --> 00:55:36,860
Lindelof end like Linda why did they

1578
00:55:41,050 --> 00:55:39,500
drop the cow they've got the cow already

1579
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:41,060
I mean they got it I mean they're taking

1580
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,650
it or John Alexander if you've heard

1581
00:55:45,850 --> 00:55:44,240
some of the recent interviews the one

1582
00:55:47,650 --> 00:55:45,860
that John does about the skinwalker

1583
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,660
ranch with the cod mutilation where they

1584
00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:49,040
pummel eight the hot weather they pummel

1585
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:51,020
the inside of the heart like why would

1586
00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:52,210
you do that I mean if you're gonna do

1587
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,750
you know alien hybrids

1588
00:55:59,950 --> 00:55:58,160
what are you doing this with the heart

1589
00:56:01,450 --> 00:55:59,960
or you pull the heart out with no exit

1590
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,460
wound or the brain out with no exit

1591
00:56:04,539 --> 00:56:02,960
wound and it's like all they're trying

1592
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,549
to do and that's where I got this theory

1593
00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:06,319
whoa is like all they want you to do is

1594
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:09,140
go wow that's going on and they're

1595
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:10,609
trying to make you think and that's like

1596
00:56:15,309 --> 00:56:13,130
if you example give you an example

1597
00:56:17,319 --> 00:56:15,319
because one that you just did let's take

1598
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:17,329
a look at John Lennon so John Lennon has

1599
00:56:22,569 --> 00:56:20,689
this sighting August of 1974 with Mei

1600
00:56:22,989 --> 00:56:22,579
pang there on there it goes on for ten

1601
00:56:24,849 --> 00:56:22,999
minutes

1602
00:56:26,919 --> 00:56:24,859
Mae pangs trying to take picture she can

1603
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,929
take pictures and John describes it's

1604
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:28,880
got these lightbulbs on its crank these

1605
00:56:32,349 --> 00:56:30,410
lightbulbs white labs like light bulbs

1606
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:32,359
going off and on I have this little kid

1607
00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:33,920
that I described you before lights all

1608
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:36,140
over the thing and almost all the time

1609
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:38,329
you have these these situations where

1610
00:56:42,189 --> 00:56:39,890
they have these lights now my question

1611
00:56:44,140 --> 00:56:42,199
is with John Lennon do you need white

1612
00:56:45,459 --> 00:56:44,150
little lightbulbs flashing off and on to

1613
00:56:48,609 --> 00:56:45,469
go through interstellar space

1614
00:56:51,219 --> 00:56:48,619
why do UFOs have lights on them so you

1615
00:56:53,979 --> 00:56:51,229
can see them so you can go wow what is

1616
00:56:55,989 --> 00:56:53,989
that when you see a UFO you're part of

1617
00:56:58,209 --> 00:56:55,999
the game they want you to see it because

1618
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:58,219
when they abduct people you don't see

1619
00:57:01,029 --> 00:56:59,599
them they can cloak themselves any times

1620
00:57:03,099 --> 00:57:01,039
they want so when you see them so you

1621
00:57:05,229 --> 00:57:03,109
have Jan Hartson on and what does Jan

1622
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:05,239
Hartson describe Jan aartsen is sitting

1623
00:57:10,589 --> 00:57:07,729
if we should build a UFO and then within

1624
00:57:14,529 --> 00:57:10,599
a month suddenly there's a orange UFO

1625
00:57:18,849 --> 00:57:14,539
three feet high that's if 30 feet away

1626
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:18,859
and it's got blue you know dryer vent

1627
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:21,529
things coming off the side and suction

1628
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:24,049
cups like is that really what it looked

1629
00:57:27,309 --> 00:57:25,369
like or is that a screen image is that

1630
00:57:31,029 --> 00:57:27,319
this whole thing where they just want to

1631
00:57:33,189 --> 00:57:31,039
jam to go WOW because down the road they

1632
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,199
need Jan to spread the message that is

1633
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:36,559
so I see people say and there's a second

1634
00:57:40,779 --> 00:57:38,809
download I got which I've really got

1635
00:57:42,759 --> 00:57:40,789
into it's 24 LM s the second time and

1636
00:57:44,709 --> 00:57:42,769
one of the element there is is it a

1637
00:57:46,779 --> 00:57:44,719
random worlders at a non-random world

1638
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:46,789
and we assume it's a random world that

1639
00:57:50,650 --> 00:57:48,410
these things are just happening and

1640
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,660
that's one world so if it's a random

1641
00:57:55,150 --> 00:57:53,119
world that's what happens but if it's

1642
00:57:57,969 --> 00:57:55,160
not a random world if you are a psychic

1643
00:57:59,259 --> 00:57:57,979
and you can actually say three days for

1644
00:58:01,120 --> 00:57:59,269
now Martin Willis is gonna have a car

1645
00:58:02,739 --> 00:58:01,130
accident and he has a car accident then

1646
00:58:04,589 --> 00:58:02,749
is it a random world so you start

1647
00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:04,599
looking at if it's not a random world

1648
00:58:09,189 --> 00:58:07,160
then it's a whole different world same

1649
00:58:10,449 --> 00:58:09,199
thing as John Alexander talks this is

1650
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,459
something I'm really getting into now is

1651
00:58:15,549 --> 00:58:12,880
the thing I think we should solve is

1652
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:15,559
what happens at death the reincarnation

1653
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:17,209
and John brings this up because John's

1654
00:58:19,870 --> 00:58:18,050
got a degree in

1655
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:19,880
ecology and that's where I started I did

1656
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:22,310
this big study when I was at university

1657
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:24,710
on weird things that happen people die

1658
00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:27,770
and I go to chaplains it's done so it's

1659
00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:29,600
the whole idea is it one life if it's

1660
00:58:33,970 --> 00:58:32,420
one life then it's a one world but if

1661
00:58:35,980 --> 00:58:33,980
it's multiple lives if you look at the

1662
00:58:37,210 --> 00:58:35,990
UFO phenomena and we're living multiple

1663
00:58:39,070 --> 00:58:37,220
lives and we're coming injured here to

1664
00:58:41,170 --> 00:58:39,080
experience things and stuff I got it's a

1665
00:58:45,790 --> 00:58:41,180
whole different world so it's this whole

1666
00:58:47,860 --> 00:58:45,800
thing where is John Hudson's experience

1667
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:47,870
random was my experience because when I

1668
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:51,200
had my first experience as I said we

1669
00:58:55,870 --> 00:58:53,690
didn't go out in February when this

1670
00:58:58,780 --> 00:58:55,880
thing started and we kept driving around

1671
00:59:01,360 --> 00:58:58,790
the city and if it had not been for this

1672
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:01,370
film being taken by this TV network I

1673
00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:03,710
never would have got had no interest in

1674
00:59:07,810 --> 00:59:06,440
UFOs none and what happened was and I

1675
00:59:10,510 --> 00:59:07,820
didn't realize this until 35 years later

1676
00:59:12,190 --> 00:59:10,520
suddenly the light came on the guy what

1677
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:12,200
happened was the crews were going out

1678
00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:13,430
from these different TV stations and

1679
00:59:16,750 --> 00:59:14,900
they couldn't get the thing was lying

1680
00:59:18,430 --> 00:59:16,760
around and they had seen it on the

1681
00:59:20,050 --> 00:59:18,440
ground they'd seen it they couldn't get

1682
00:59:21,970 --> 00:59:20,060
it the night so they went back to the

1683
00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:21,980
producer and they said we just about got

1684
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:23,270
it we want to go out again tomorrow

1685
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:25,490
night and the assistant news producer at

1686
00:59:30,010 --> 00:59:28,610
this station said this is BS nobody's

1687
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:30,020
going out anymore I'm not paying any

1688
00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:32,090
more overtime you guys want to go chase

1689
00:59:35,830 --> 00:59:33,950
this stupid flying saucer you can go on

1690
00:59:37,710 --> 00:59:35,840
your own time so they put a crew

1691
00:59:40,750 --> 00:59:37,720
together of people from this TV station

1692
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:40,760
who were volunteers they went out on

1693
00:59:45,130 --> 00:59:42,710
their own time and they didn't have a

1694
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:45,140
cameraman the guy who have shot the the

1695
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:48,170
famous film was a ill film editor didn't

1696
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,910
have a camera so this is the first time

1697
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:51,680
this guy ever shot when you know in the

1698
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:53,930
75 there's these huge TV cameras and

1699
00:59:57,310 --> 00:59:55,490
they've got it out and they go onto this

1700
00:59:59,800 --> 00:59:57,320
road like we're looking down these mile

1701
01:00:02,590 --> 00:59:59,810
roads and this thing's down the road and

1702
01:00:04,810 --> 01:00:02,600
so what they do is they see it they

1703
01:00:07,180 --> 01:00:04,820
leave the cameraman here and buy this

1704
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:07,190
big huge Tower this big communications

1705
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:09,410
tower they sent someone on the North

1706
01:00:13,810 --> 01:00:11,330
Road they go up one mile and they go

1707
01:00:15,370 --> 01:00:13,820
down and one mile and they go down so

1708
01:00:18,550 --> 01:00:15,380
they come around and they're gonna try

1709
01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:18,560
to come across from on the side and the

1710
01:00:22,930 --> 01:00:20,360
one on the north side actually comes

1711
01:00:25,390 --> 01:00:22,940
across and what they describe is this

1712
01:00:26,890 --> 01:00:25,400
object a two quarter miles because we

1713
01:00:28,570 --> 01:00:26,900
had the radiation readings on the ground

1714
01:00:29,950 --> 01:00:28,580
we know exactly where was eight and a

1715
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:29,960
quarter miles away from the camera and

1716
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,910
the thing is sitting on a 45

1717
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:33,200
your angle looks like a drive-in movie

1718
01:00:37,299 --> 01:00:36,170
screen but it was red blood red drive-in

1719
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:37,309
movie screen it wasn't touching the

1720
01:00:40,059 --> 01:00:37,730
ground

1721
01:00:41,410 --> 01:00:40,069
poking above this this row of trees

1722
01:00:43,299 --> 01:00:41,420
where they plant these trees along the

1723
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:43,309
edge of the field and it's sitting there

1724
01:00:47,049 --> 01:00:45,410
and then they go WOW and they they're

1725
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:47,059
looking around to get there because in

1726
01:00:50,020 --> 01:00:48,079
the middle of noir they're getting their

1727
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:50,030
perspective of where are we so we can

1728
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:51,440
come back tomorrow and do the radiation

1729
01:00:54,220 --> 01:00:52,910
readings whatever and then they look

1730
01:00:56,380 --> 01:00:54,230
back and this thing is gone they go

1731
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:56,390
where did it go it disappeared meanwhile

1732
01:00:58,930 --> 01:00:57,530
the guy at the end of the road and this

1733
01:01:01,000 --> 01:00:58,940
is the key part and I didn't realize

1734
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:01,010
this till 35 years later the guy at the

1735
01:01:03,730 --> 01:01:02,390
end of the road realized they'd gotten

1736
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:03,740
something they almost got something Nate

1737
01:01:07,150 --> 01:01:05,450
before they need to get something and

1738
01:01:09,849 --> 01:01:07,160
you could see this thing would glow up

1739
01:01:11,529 --> 01:01:09,859
and would glow back down glow up glow

1740
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,539
back down and he's watching through the

1741
01:01:15,339 --> 01:01:14,000
viewfinder and he says okay the next

1742
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:15,349
thing that next time this thing blows up

1743
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:17,450
I'm gonna shoot so I get something on

1744
01:01:21,279 --> 01:01:19,670
camera and so it was almost like the

1745
01:01:23,049 --> 01:01:21,289
UFOs thing are you ready ready

1746
01:01:24,579 --> 01:01:23,059
we were about to jump watch and so he

1747
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:24,589
goes like this and as it starts to glow

1748
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:26,000
up he shoots the camera and the thing

1749
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:27,530
jumps in the air and it's eight a

1750
01:01:31,059 --> 01:01:29,510
quarter miles away and it jumps and if

1751
01:01:34,779 --> 01:01:31,069
you've seen it it's on a documentary

1752
01:01:37,150 --> 01:01:34,789
called UFO cover-up live which is run in

1753
01:01:39,490 --> 01:01:37,160
1988 you can actually see this this film

1754
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:39,500
Jacmel a shows this film it goes from

1755
01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:40,910
the bottom of the frame to the top of

1756
01:01:44,589 --> 01:01:42,740
the frame in three frames it lights up

1757
01:01:47,049 --> 01:01:44,599
the whole one frame lights off the

1758
01:01:49,329 --> 01:01:47,059
entire horizon you see these big humps

1759
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:49,339
of light on the horizon so it jumps in

1760
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:52,010
three frames that's a 2/4 miles away one

1761
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:53,630
of the estimates was it jumped 5,000

1762
01:01:58,539 --> 01:01:56,569
feet in three frames of film and so he

1763
01:02:00,400 --> 01:01:58,549
gets his on film and suddenly it's a

1764
01:02:02,019 --> 01:02:00,410
viral film and he's caught with this

1765
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:02,029
thing so I'm thinking to myself 35 years

1766
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:05,150
later I'm going that wasn't random that

1767
01:02:08,859 --> 01:02:06,710
was that wasn't random he didn't

1768
01:02:11,170 --> 01:02:08,869
actually push the camera just this thing

1769
01:02:12,130 --> 01:02:11,180
jumped it was time and then I started

1770
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:12,140
looking at this whole thing is this

1771
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:13,849
random so that's where I got this theory

1772
01:02:17,950 --> 01:02:15,890
of Wow and I start looking at all the

1773
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,960
different stuff and it's it's like the

1774
01:02:22,180 --> 01:02:20,000
the grade one project is to put lights

1775
01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:22,190
on crafts so we do this kind of stuff

1776
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:23,900
and then the the one is cattle

1777
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:25,130
mutilations all these different weird

1778
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:26,960
cattle mutilations and we'll put them

1779
01:02:32,049 --> 01:02:29,569
downwind from power you know a nuclear

1780
01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:32,059
stuff and then the other one is this

1781
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:33,260
whole thing with the metals if you look

1782
01:02:36,609 --> 01:02:34,609
at these metals Jaco lays doing this

1783
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:36,619
stuff for the metals have you ever seen

1784
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:38,690
two pieces of metal that are ever the

1785
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:40,490
same you look at the chart that Jacques

1786
01:02:45,610 --> 01:02:44,720
Vallee he did a slide presentation in in

1787
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:45,620
contact

1788
01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:47,690
if you look at this this slide

1789
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:49,640
presentation you look at all these

1790
01:02:53,650 --> 01:02:51,770
metals and what it is and it because

1791
01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:53,660
I've been in this thing since before

1792
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:55,070
Jesus is a carpenter I know this stuff

1793
01:02:59,020 --> 01:02:56,690
is going on is that you get these things

1794
01:03:00,250 --> 01:02:59,030
in 1947 you get this UFO and it looks

1795
01:03:01,810 --> 01:03:00,260
likes gonna crash and ever he's looking

1796
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:01,820
like the you know the bird with a broken

1797
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:03,260
wing that wants to get you away from the

1798
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:05,090
nest and the UFO looks it's gonna crash

1799
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:07,250
every Squatch it oh like it's gonna

1800
01:03:10,570 --> 01:03:09,050
crash and all sudden it stabilizes and

1801
01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:10,580
it shoots out this metal and every goes

1802
01:03:14,530 --> 01:03:12,590
and grabs the metal but none of no two

1803
01:03:16,060 --> 01:03:14,540
pieces of metal I've seen are the same

1804
01:03:19,630 --> 01:03:16,070
they're all different and then I started

1805
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:19,640
looking at the implants and I talked to

1806
01:03:22,990 --> 01:03:21,140
one guy who worked on implants I said

1807
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:23,000
you got these implants are there ever

1808
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:25,010
two the same and he said no completely

1809
01:03:29,050 --> 01:03:26,720
different and it's the whole thing is if

1810
01:03:30,790 --> 01:03:29,060
it's if it's a craft why is it not the

1811
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:30,800
same or why you have these little pieces

1812
01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:33,050
why these if it comes across the

1813
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:35,240
universe and then crashes and breaks

1814
01:03:38,830 --> 01:03:37,010
into these little pieces maybe the

1815
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:38,840
pieces are being given to us maybe it's

1816
01:03:42,550 --> 01:03:40,400
that you've got this layered piece with

1817
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:42,560
the 38 you know the arts parts that

1818
01:03:46,420 --> 01:03:44,690
Linda's been working on the pieces it's

1819
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:46,430
because they want you to go wow it's

1820
01:03:49,810 --> 01:03:48,170
just cool and it's almost like plowing

1821
01:03:51,730 --> 01:03:49,820
the field so it's almost like UFO

1822
01:03:53,530 --> 01:03:51,740
sightings where you you you look you

1823
01:03:56,050 --> 01:03:53,540
look you say yeah it looks like it's

1824
01:03:59,040 --> 01:03:56,060
it's it's it's we didn't build it it

1825
01:04:01,030 --> 01:03:59,050
looks like it's it's for real to UFO and

1826
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:01,040
then you get another sighting you do the

1827
01:04:03,820 --> 01:04:02,480
same thing and the same thing with the

1828
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:03,830
metal is you're gonna get these pieces

1829
01:04:07,090 --> 01:04:05,750
of metal ain't gonna go like we couldn't

1830
01:04:08,740 --> 01:04:07,100
made that man there's no way you can

1831
01:04:10,750 --> 01:04:08,750
make nothing and we're just gonna plow

1832
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:10,760
the same field we're gonna say yes UFOs

1833
01:04:15,490 --> 01:04:12,890
are real whereas I've got this situation

1834
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:15,500
where I knew that 1975 I mean I was

1835
01:04:18,940 --> 01:04:16,880
close up it's like there's no doubt in

1836
01:04:20,050 --> 01:04:18,950
my mind this thing's for real and that's

1837
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:20,060
where I say you gotta get to the next

1838
01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:21,680
part of the story is they're doing the

1839
01:04:28,420 --> 01:04:23,870
WoW thing almost like two stars is doing

1840
01:04:30,310 --> 01:04:28,430
the same thing drop a video drop a piece

1841
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:30,320
of metal story all this kind of stuff in

1842
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:31,760
your raising consciousness you put it in

1843
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:33,920
the New York Times you bypass the UFO

1844
01:04:37,570 --> 01:04:35,210
community you're raising consciousness

1845
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,580
and so that's why this theory well and I

1846
01:04:40,690 --> 01:04:39,440
look at all the different UFO phenomena

1847
01:04:42,490 --> 01:04:40,700
and to me that's what it looks like is

1848
01:04:45,220 --> 01:04:42,500
that's all they seem to be doing is

1849
01:04:46,330 --> 01:04:45,230
their messaging everything is messaging

1850
01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:46,340
that's all they're doing they're doing

1851
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:47,630
this kind of stuff to raise

1852
01:04:50,410 --> 01:04:49,250
consciousness to make us think to say

1853
01:04:52,510 --> 01:04:50,420
some schooling down here I don't think

1854
01:04:53,950 --> 01:04:52,520
we're alone and and and as it goes up

1855
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:53,960
you're gonna get to a certain point

1856
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:56,480
where the consciousness will sort of

1857
01:04:59,590 --> 01:04:58,250
like it flips where suddenly everybody

1858
01:05:02,770 --> 01:04:59,600
goes oh yeah this for real

1859
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:02,780
even if you look at the the one of the

1860
01:05:06,190 --> 01:05:04,010
guys that works for to the stars was

1861
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:06,200
this kid green was one of the CIA guys

1862
01:05:12,550 --> 01:05:09,770
that that ran the CIA program and he's

1863
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:12,560
interviewed by this guy from Great

1864
01:05:18,580 --> 01:05:15,650
Britain Pilkington I think it was guy's

1865
01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:18,590
name where he's talking to him and jock

1866
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:21,500
ballet says oh and not chuckle a kid

1867
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:24,110
Green says so what would you do if you

1868
01:05:27,790 --> 01:05:25,730
had to uh if you were responsible for

1869
01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:27,800
this program I mean it's fine for you to

1870
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:29,420
say you know you should do this do that

1871
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:30,770
what what if you had to deal with this

1872
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:32,510
oh you're the government what do you do

1873
01:05:35,710 --> 01:05:34,310
while you put out these memes about oh

1874
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:35,720
the aliens that are here and they're

1875
01:05:39,790 --> 01:05:37,610
gonna eat our kids and all this kind of

1876
01:05:42,850 --> 01:05:39,800
stuff and then when it breaks it's like

1877
01:05:44,110 --> 01:05:42,860
it's just extraterrestrials or whatever

1878
01:05:45,970 --> 01:05:44,120
it is visiting the planet every ghost

1879
01:05:47,770 --> 01:05:45,980
what they're not eating our kids and you

1880
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:47,780
go no I'm not eating a kid it's like so

1881
01:05:50,050 --> 01:05:48,410
what's the big deal

1882
01:05:52,300 --> 01:05:50,060
it's like this you know almost like

1883
01:05:54,310 --> 01:05:52,310
they're doing this to get people

1884
01:05:56,140 --> 01:05:54,320
acclimatize this whole thing that's just

1885
01:05:57,970 --> 01:05:56,150
it's almost like the idea that that

1886
01:06:00,190 --> 01:05:57,980
science advances one funeral at a time

1887
01:06:01,270 --> 01:06:00,200
it's not something we you're gonna have

1888
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:01,280
a piece of evidence for everybody's

1889
01:06:06,490 --> 01:06:03,260
gonna go oh okay it's you know we all

1890
01:06:08,530 --> 01:06:06,500
give up on our beliefs every still has

1891
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:08,540
their belief system so it's this gradual

1892
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:10,070
acclimatization that they've been doing

1893
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:12,410
and that's why I say I mean why do you

1894
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:14,090
offer the lights on me even like this

1895
01:06:19,150 --> 01:06:16,970
this thing of how how I got involved or

1896
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:19,160
if you hear the story of how but Hopkins

1897
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:20,210
got balls I know if you know the story

1898
01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:22,310
of how Budd Hopkins ago 70 same here

1899
01:06:26,410 --> 01:06:24,470
seventy-five same years me Budd Hopkins

1900
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:26,420
is down he's buying boots at the corner

1901
01:06:30,550 --> 01:06:28,310
the guy who sells the booze at the

1902
01:06:32,770 --> 01:06:30,560
corner and the guy says this weird thing

1903
01:06:35,770 --> 01:06:32,780
happened I saw this flying saucer and

1904
01:06:37,180 --> 01:06:35,780
there was these these beings around the

1905
01:06:38,730 --> 01:06:37,190
craft and looked like they were digging

1906
01:06:42,430 --> 01:06:38,740
they'd shovels and they were digging and

1907
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:42,440
by do you mean digging and he goes to

1908
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:43,970
where this guy describes it in his 15

1909
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:46,160
holes five inches deep and then but is

1910
01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:47,210
like hooked he's gone

1911
01:06:50,770 --> 01:06:49,220
well and then this is apartment complex

1912
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:50,780
she goes to the apartment complex he

1913
01:06:54,820 --> 01:06:52,610
talks to the guy the Nightwatchman guy

1914
01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:54,830
this there and he said you ever see

1915
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:56,510
anything in that field over there there

1916
01:07:00,760 --> 01:06:58,490
okay why I saw this thing that was there

1917
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:00,770
and Budd is hooked and then you realize

1918
01:07:05,590 --> 01:07:02,930
with bud you say well that's how it

1919
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:05,600
started but snot 1964 Budd has a

1920
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:07,610
sighting and if you ever hear the audio

1921
01:07:11,590 --> 01:07:09,050
of blood talking about sighting you go

1922
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:11,600
that guy's an experienced your man the

1923
01:07:14,859 --> 01:07:13,130
things right above the craft

1924
01:07:16,299 --> 01:07:14,869
little day it's just sitting there he's

1925
01:07:18,130 --> 01:07:16,309
there with two people from Britain he's

1926
01:07:19,539 --> 01:07:18,140
driving these people and he's driving

1927
01:07:21,130 --> 01:07:19,549
and he's looking at this thing and it's

1928
01:07:23,319 --> 01:07:21,140
just sort of looking back and he's

1929
01:07:25,930 --> 01:07:23,329
sitting there the next day he goes back

1930
01:07:27,609 --> 01:07:25,940
here II drives the route how long was he

1931
01:07:28,900 --> 01:07:27,619
on the road how long did it take the sir

1932
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:28,910
stuff and then you go back and you

1933
01:07:33,759 --> 01:07:30,710
realize that Budd Hopkins when he was

1934
01:07:35,230 --> 01:07:33,769
like 6 or 7 years old was in his room

1935
01:07:37,749 --> 01:07:35,240
when the War of the Worlds was going on

1936
01:07:39,279 --> 01:07:37,759
and the his family was freaking out his

1937
01:07:40,839 --> 01:07:39,289
parents were freaking out and but is

1938
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,849
looking out the window and he's looking

1939
01:07:44,589 --> 01:07:42,799
to see if these aliens are invading and

1940
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:44,599
his father's freaking out and his

1941
01:07:47,980 --> 01:07:46,250
mother's crying and the neighbor comes

1942
01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:47,990
in with the guns and says we're going to

1943
01:07:50,859 --> 01:07:49,670
the top of the hill I want you to come

1944
01:07:51,999 --> 01:07:50,869
we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna take

1945
01:07:54,490 --> 01:07:52,009
a stand we're gonna stop these guys

1946
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,500
whatever and buds parents don't go when

1947
01:07:58,089 --> 01:07:56,720
you start seeing that you go like maybe

1948
01:08:00,249 --> 01:07:58,099
this wasn't all random maybe this is all

1949
01:08:02,769 --> 01:08:00,259
sort of planned and that's where I get

1950
01:08:04,269 --> 01:08:02,779
these bizarre things where Chris Bledsoe

1951
01:08:05,650 --> 01:08:04,279
gives me this phone calling says well I

1952
01:08:07,930 --> 01:08:05,660
got a message from the Guardians and

1953
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,940
whenever Chris Bledsoe says something

1954
01:08:11,620 --> 01:08:09,920
he's got something I listened very

1955
01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:11,630
carefully and that turned into a book

1956
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:13,369
and then when I did the Charlie read

1957
01:08:18,010 --> 01:08:16,489
star book I got a second message when I

1958
01:08:19,629 --> 01:08:18,020
was doing the book there was this

1959
01:08:21,459 --> 01:08:19,639
mission Rama's story that's why they

1960
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:21,469
want option my book for a movie and I

1961
01:08:23,740 --> 01:08:22,730
said mission Ron I don't care about the

1962
01:08:25,599 --> 01:08:23,750
stupid whatever you want to use the

1963
01:08:26,890 --> 01:08:25,609
stupid movie the option for I don't

1964
01:08:28,510 --> 01:08:26,900
really care and their tongue though this

1965
01:08:31,090 --> 01:08:28,520
mission drama thing are there they need

1966
01:08:32,110 --> 01:08:31,100
a Canadian story to start the movie and

1967
01:08:33,789 --> 01:08:32,120
then they're gonna go to Peru because

1968
01:08:35,559 --> 01:08:33,799
nobody will finance the movie in Canada

1969
01:08:38,559 --> 01:08:35,569
they want to do this Peruvian thing and

1970
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:38,569
I'm driving across the desert and and

1971
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:40,250
the girl that's with me my assistant

1972
01:08:45,129 --> 01:08:42,799
suddenly gets a phone call and this is

1973
01:08:47,019 --> 01:08:45,139
after Chris Chris's message where it

1974
01:08:48,820 --> 01:08:47,029
turned into a book so I get this message

1975
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,830
and it's at Tyrell oh and in this

1976
01:08:52,180 --> 01:08:50,239
message from a Tyrell that he knows I'm

1977
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:52,190
coming to the mountain and I'm supposed

1978
01:08:56,169 --> 01:08:53,839
to tell people that there's gonna be a

1979
01:08:58,419 --> 01:08:56,179
program sighting on Saturday night so of

1980
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,429
course this time I go get the message

1981
01:09:02,559 --> 01:09:00,560
what exactly is message what is that get

1982
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:02,569
it for real what is exactly as it say

1983
01:09:06,879 --> 01:09:05,089
all the words and and so I listened very

1984
01:09:07,809 --> 01:09:06,889
carefully it's kinda and so I see it as

1985
01:09:09,610 --> 01:09:07,819
a completely different thing where

1986
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:09,620
people seeing it's random it's you know

1987
01:09:13,809 --> 01:09:12,080
we're biological robots and a memorandum

1988
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:13,819
meaningless universe and I say no it's a

1989
01:09:18,510 --> 01:09:16,130
consciousness universe and it's all like

1990
01:09:21,999 --> 01:09:18,520
Rupert Sheldrake it's all sort of

1991
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:22,009
morphic genetic fields and and memory

1992
01:09:25,539 --> 01:09:24,049
and learning and all this kind of stuff

1993
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:25,549
and they're just playing this role

1994
01:09:29,099 --> 01:09:27,520
they're just in this higher level of

1995
01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:29,109
butter and they're trying to move us

1996
01:09:32,370 --> 01:09:30,670
into this higher level of water we're at

1997
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:32,380
that stage now where we've got the

1998
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:33,970
technology nuclear weapons which they're

1999
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,100
just terrified of that we that we can

2000
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:38,400
you know sort of blow up the place and

2001
01:09:41,940 --> 01:09:40,750
so that's my new theory in it and the

2002
01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:41,950
more I look at them I'm actually

2003
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,870
probably gonna write a short little book

2004
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:45,520
on this thing the theory of Wow and I'm

2005
01:09:50,340 --> 01:09:46,810
gonna go through all the UFO evidence

2006
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:50,350
and say I also do it all they do is what

2007
01:09:56,930 --> 01:09:52,810
they want you to make you make you go

2008
01:09:59,940 --> 01:09:56,940
WOW to realize something's going on and

2009
01:10:01,740 --> 01:09:59,950
to me that it just makes total sense to

2010
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,750
me that that they're really not here to

2011
01:10:10,020 --> 01:10:03,360
do anything they're they're just here to

2012
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:10,030
to raise consciousness argue that case

2013
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:14,250
but you wonder why there hasn't been -

2014
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:17,920
actually a well there was mass sightings

2015
01:10:20,670 --> 01:10:19,450
there was the the Phoenix lights was ten

2016
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:20,680
thousand I mean is that's one of the

2017
01:10:26,220 --> 01:10:24,250
things is do the aliens need a craft

2018
01:10:27,690 --> 01:10:26,230
that's two miles wide like why you

2019
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:27,700
flying a craft s two miles wide or a

2020
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,650
mile wide or whatever it was you get

2021
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:31,360
these like this thing with the weather

2022
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:33,250
with the object breaks into pieces in

2023
01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:35,650
Carmen in 1975 it's just like really

2024
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:37,300
really bizarre stories and they want you

2025
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:39,370
to go like wow do you see what have and

2026
01:10:41,850 --> 01:10:40,480
I'll tell you well I'll tell you the

2027
01:10:43,770 --> 01:10:41,860
crisp but so story and I probably told

2028
01:10:45,810 --> 01:10:43,780
you before this is the one that really

2029
01:10:48,540 --> 01:10:45,820
got my attention this was the thing

2030
01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:48,550
where I knew Chris Bledsoe I sort of

2031
01:10:53,550 --> 01:10:51,190
knew of his story and he had been

2032
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:53,560
contacted by Warner Brothers they wanted

2033
01:10:57,420 --> 01:10:55,450
to do the movie Mel Gibson wanted to do

2034
01:11:00,000 --> 01:10:57,430
a movie and they had said to Chris the

2035
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:00,010
two screws screen writers were Chad and

2036
01:11:04,380 --> 01:11:02,110
Carrie Hays and they said we would like

2037
01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:04,390
a Warner Brothers would like a message

2038
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:06,670
or a sign that we should do the movie

2039
01:11:11,730 --> 01:11:09,370
and Chris said okay you didn't what to

2040
01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:11,740
do pray whatever and the next night is

2041
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,630
when the tree burn this bizarre thing

2042
01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:15,280
where the inside the tree burns three

2043
01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:16,870
times in six hours and they got the hose

2044
01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:18,160
up and the inside of the tree is

2045
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,660
completely soaked with water and then it

2046
01:11:22,590 --> 01:11:21,280
starts on fire again and starts a fire

2047
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,600
and the kids got the iPad and they're

2048
01:11:24,930 --> 01:11:23,920
they're filming is saying and they go

2049
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:24,940
back to Warner Brothers and Warner

2050
01:11:28,770 --> 01:11:27,190
Brothers says oh yeah that's what we're

2051
01:11:30,150 --> 01:11:28,780
gonna do the movie and so I always had

2052
01:11:32,850 --> 01:11:30,160
this idea in the back of my head that

2053
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:32,860
they wanted that's why Chris had the

2054
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,470
first night was 14 UFOs five different

2055
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:37,360
types of alien and five to five alien

2056
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:41,170
sightings just like five witnesses

2057
01:11:45,090 --> 01:11:43,690
just bizarre his first night mean this

2058
01:11:46,740 --> 01:11:45,100
whole story of what happens on his first

2059
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,750
night and it's almost like it's a movie

2060
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:48,880
and now it looks like he's got a program

2061
01:11:53,070 --> 01:11:51,040
going so I knew that he had this bizarre

2062
01:11:54,979 --> 01:11:53,080
stuff and I knew that white house was

2063
01:11:58,680 --> 01:11:54,989
watching him you know intelligence

2064
01:12:02,160 --> 01:11:58,690
defense NASA all these people were

2065
01:12:04,110 --> 01:12:02,170
watching them and so I was going to

2066
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:04,120
lecture in Florida and that's when I go

2067
01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:06,489
to his house and I'm taking pictures of

2068
01:12:08,729 --> 01:12:07,540
the tree and he's telling me all these

2069
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:08,739
different stories were going to all the

2070
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:10,090
different sites or all the stuff happens

2071
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:12,010
whatever and it's very interesting to

2072
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:13,810
watch you know when he's directly I'm

2073
01:12:16,830 --> 01:12:15,130
said when he took John Alexander there

2074
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:16,840
and I'll give you credit because you

2075
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:18,850
asked John Alexander the one question

2076
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:21,010
that I never thought to ask which was

2077
01:12:26,729 --> 01:12:23,500
you asked him why would you go see Chris

2078
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:26,739
Bledsoe you ever John said no no I

2079
01:12:34,979 --> 01:12:30,910
resent my sponsor my sponsor asked me to

2080
01:12:36,750 --> 01:12:34,989
go and see him now I went Wow so John's

2081
01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:36,760
involved in this whole thing and they're

2082
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:38,260
watching they're watching Chris so John

2083
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:40,030
John goes are same things I went there I

2084
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:41,920
went there because this guy had this

2085
01:12:46,110 --> 01:12:44,080
bizarre stuff and so I'm there and the

2086
01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:46,120
story starts we're we're there I'm but

2087
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:47,830
to go to Florida I've got a rent-a-car

2088
01:12:51,689 --> 01:12:49,330
I'm coming from citizens hearing in

2089
01:12:53,310 --> 01:12:51,699
Washington every rent-a-car we're

2090
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:53,320
playing on Facebook his wife has left

2091
01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:55,330
his kids are all like their university

2092
01:12:59,220 --> 01:12:57,310
age they're all gone whatever and we're

2093
01:13:01,200 --> 01:12:59,230
playing on Facebook and all of a sudden

2094
01:13:03,450 --> 01:13:01,210
I hear Chris go what do you guys doing

2095
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:03,460
back in the room and I look and he's got

2096
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:05,410
three dogs got the big black lab he's

2097
01:13:08,910 --> 01:13:07,690
got a medium-sized Heinz 57 type dog

2098
01:13:10,530 --> 01:13:08,920
he's got these a little Troy whoa and

2099
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:10,540
the three dogs are standing there

2100
01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:12,730
looking at us and he goes how'd you get

2101
01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:14,350
back in the house so we go to the front

2102
01:13:18,689 --> 01:13:16,300
door in the front doors wide open wide

2103
01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:18,699
open not just open it's wide open and

2104
01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:20,590
even suppose how'd that get open he puts

2105
01:13:23,550 --> 01:13:22,270
the dogs back out and I said okay Chris

2106
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:23,560
I gotta go I'm going to Florida or

2107
01:13:27,150 --> 01:13:25,449
whatever and I say goodbye I'll stop

2108
01:13:29,729 --> 01:13:27,160
back on my way back from Florida to take

2109
01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:29,739
the red car back to Washington so I go I

2110
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:31,750
get to Florida and he said you know what

2111
01:13:36,150 --> 01:13:33,370
it happened twice more after you left I

2112
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:36,160
went back in the house I'm sitting there

2113
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:37,330
and suddenly the dogs are back in the

2114
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,530
house in the front doors wide open again

2115
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:40,719
and then I went I put him outside again

2116
01:13:43,860 --> 01:13:42,310
closed the door went to the bathroom I

2117
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:43,870
came out of the bathroom front doors

2118
01:13:47,939 --> 01:13:45,010
wide opened the dogs are back at house

2119
01:13:49,740 --> 01:13:47,949
and I went whatever it's like the random

2120
01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:49,750
thing whatever he left the door open it

2121
01:13:54,419 --> 01:13:52,030
I wasn't impressed at all so when I come

2122
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:54,429
back this happens within 10 minutes when

2123
01:13:58,170 --> 01:13:54,610
I

2124
01:14:00,240 --> 01:13:58,180
beside the thing haven't you taken my

2125
01:14:02,490 --> 01:14:00,250
stuff out of the car yet and luckily I

2126
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:02,500
camera why had the camera in the front

2127
01:14:07,050 --> 01:14:05,170
seat so we go there take some more

2128
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:07,060
pictures of the burning tree all this

2129
01:14:10,650 --> 01:14:08,080
tough stuff you're standing on the back

2130
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:10,660
it back deck and it's a concrete deck

2131
01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:12,370
and Chris said let's go in the house

2132
01:14:16,410 --> 01:14:14,310
second so we go in the house and the

2133
01:14:19,700 --> 01:14:16,420
Nelly who's the black lab is right

2134
01:14:22,710 --> 01:14:19,710
behind us on the under grass like five

2135
01:14:24,930 --> 01:14:22,720
five or seven feet behind me chewing on

2136
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:24,940
this gourd lying on the grass so we go

2137
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:26,410
and you know dog wants to get in the

2138
01:14:30,780 --> 01:14:28,330
house before you so Chris is here I'm

2139
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:30,790
here the dog comes on this side of me we

2140
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:33,370
go by and all I hear is Chris say Nelly

2141
01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:36,370
what happened Nelly and I look and the

2142
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:39,070
dog has passed me and the blood is

2143
01:14:44,430 --> 01:14:41,440
shooting at the dog's neck it's all over

2144
01:14:46,770 --> 01:14:44,440
the walls it's blood hit an artery and

2145
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:46,780
I'm going you know when they letting the

2146
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,850
dogs at a house I go that's garbage but

2147
01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:51,040
I'm going wow this is this is weird I

2148
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:52,420
run to the car get the camera and I

2149
01:14:55,950 --> 01:14:54,010
start photographing this thing and I'm

2150
01:14:58,590 --> 01:14:55,960
photographing and Krista's got the rag

2151
01:15:00,450 --> 01:14:58,600
and it's all full of blood and the kid

2152
01:15:01,860 --> 01:15:00,460
comes up with a semi-automatic rifle and

2153
01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:01,870
we're looking around you can see exactly

2154
01:15:04,590 --> 01:15:03,190
where the blood started it was just the

2155
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:04,600
most bizarre and then I look at my pants

2156
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:06,250
my pants are completely covered with

2157
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:06,610
blood

2158
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:10,000
yeah it's almost like my impression was

2159
01:15:12,780 --> 01:15:11,260
and I argued with Chris because Chris

2160
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,790
said well that was a shadow people that

2161
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:14,560
did that I said we missed Sharpedo

2162
01:15:17,550 --> 01:15:15,970
because experiences of these shadow

2163
01:15:18,060 --> 01:15:17,560
two-dimensional shadow people go along

2164
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:18,070
the walls

2165
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:20,050
I go why was the shadow people Doug said

2166
01:15:23,490 --> 01:15:21,490
well they're evil I said well I know

2167
01:15:25,020 --> 01:15:23,500
they're evil they're dirt I mean they're

2168
01:15:27,330 --> 01:15:25,030
people I say you know what I think

2169
01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:27,340
happened I think they were letting the

2170
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:29,320
dogs out of the house they wanted this

2171
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:31,510
in the movie they wanted this bizarre

2172
01:15:35,130 --> 01:15:33,010
stuff because he has his real bizarre

2173
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:35,140
things happen or honor I said they

2174
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:37,690
wanted this movie and I said I'm not

2175
01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:40,210
really impressed and so they said you're

2176
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:41,020
impressed with that

2177
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,750
watch this so the blood was on me wasn't

2178
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:45,520
anybody else the side of my pants were

2179
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:47,410
completely and it takes a dog like a

2180
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:49,270
half a second quarter second go by it

2181
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:50,410
looked like the dog and it's down here

2182
01:15:53,670 --> 01:15:52,330
for 10 minutes blood all over my pants

2183
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:53,680
and stuff like it and I was impressed

2184
01:15:57,060 --> 01:15:55,450
like let me tell you and that is a nice

2185
01:16:00,000 --> 01:15:57,070
and Chris we had sort of a disagreement

2186
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:00,010
but then later Chris said you got those

2187
01:16:03,300 --> 01:16:01,450
photographs Warner Brothers would like

2188
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:03,310
those photographs so whenever this thing

2189
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:04,930
does get that story's gonna be in there

2190
01:16:08,129 --> 01:16:06,490
and it's that was a WoW story it was

2191
01:16:10,530 --> 01:16:08,139
like it got my attention

2192
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:10,540
the same as the object was over top of

2193
01:16:15,780 --> 01:16:13,690
the car all this kind of stuff it to me

2194
01:16:19,260 --> 01:16:15,790
it's it's it's very simple that that

2195
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:19,270
that it's this wow factor and I see it

2196
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:21,550
over and over again well how'd the dog

2197
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:25,810
make out well he looked heinous his

2198
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:27,730
father looked shortly after they could

2199
01:16:33,780 --> 01:16:31,690
find no cut on the dog yeah and and he

2200
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:33,790
had the he had the one the first dog the

2201
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:35,290
first night they put the dog through the

2202
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:36,610
bush that's a long story I won't tell

2203
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:39,760
but that dog did die it got too close to

2204
01:16:45,030 --> 01:16:41,920
whatever this this phenomena was that

2205
01:16:46,740 --> 01:16:45,040
that dog did die but Nellie end up

2206
01:16:48,629 --> 01:16:46,750
getting hit by a car a couple years

2207
01:16:50,970 --> 01:16:48,639
later but I mean let me tell you that

2208
01:16:52,410 --> 01:16:50,980
got my attention I was just like there

2209
01:16:54,419 --> 01:16:52,420
was no doubt in my mind what was going

2210
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,429
on after I saw my pants it was like and

2211
01:16:57,930 --> 01:16:56,320
then I went to I said I got his famous

2212
01:16:59,129 --> 01:16:57,940
pants I've still got the bats I said I

2213
01:17:01,320 --> 01:16:59,139
got his famous pants I'm never gonna

2214
01:17:04,500 --> 01:17:01,330
wash him he's got blood all over him and

2215
01:17:04,890 --> 01:17:04,510
then I said after a month I said ah I'll

2216
01:17:08,010 --> 01:17:04,900
do it

2217
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:08,020
not a single spot of blood it came out

2218
01:17:09,959 --> 01:17:08,530
completely

2219
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:09,969
after a month had been sitting in my

2220
01:17:13,379 --> 01:17:12,130
pants and and nothing so those kind of

2221
01:17:15,450 --> 01:17:13,389
things and I've had a couple of those

2222
01:17:16,979 --> 01:17:15,460
very bizarre experiences almost like the

2223
01:17:18,660 --> 01:17:16,989
one with the the an Terrell where they

2224
01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:18,670
said there's gonna be a program sighting

2225
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:22,630
at 9:00 between 9:00 and 10:00 that's

2226
01:17:26,010 --> 01:17:24,610
what I was told I put on face book I go

2227
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,020
there I do the fasting they do this

2228
01:17:31,109 --> 01:17:28,000
fasting thing and also stuff I play the

2229
01:17:32,850 --> 01:17:31,119
game you know it's like you know and

2230
01:17:35,370 --> 01:17:32,860
then I found out the - what they call

2231
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:35,380
antennas this is the same thing to the

2232
01:17:40,919 --> 01:17:38,530
stars the or this group the the working

2233
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,929
with the experiences put off and green

2234
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:42,400
and they call these people that they had

2235
01:17:44,729 --> 01:17:43,030
the antenna

2236
01:17:47,250 --> 01:17:44,739
these people are she called antennas and

2237
01:17:49,649 --> 01:17:47,260
when I saw the woman of PhD psychologist

2238
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:49,659
from Columbia University who was one of

2239
01:17:52,500 --> 01:17:51,010
the people who got the message

2240
01:17:54,090 --> 01:17:52,510
he kept these automatic writing thing

2241
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:54,100
really tell you when the sighting is

2242
01:17:57,810 --> 01:17:54,730
gonna take place

2243
01:18:00,270 --> 01:17:57,820
and when I saw 2133 on that piece of

2244
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:00,280
paper written in Spanish and I heard

2245
01:18:05,550 --> 01:18:02,530
that there was a second person got 2133

2246
01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:05,560
I hadn't was impressed he's a 2133 over

2247
01:18:09,810 --> 01:18:07,780
my head this thing started and I mean I

2248
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:09,820
just got my attention was like wow like

2249
01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:11,440
these antennas they'll pick up to this

2250
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:13,510
to the minute when it's gonna take place

2251
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:16,480
not the day but the sight and to the

2252
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:18,310
minute right and so when it happens to

2253
01:18:21,870 --> 01:18:20,770
you then you're you get you get this

2254
01:18:23,459 --> 01:18:21,880
thing where

2255
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:23,469
yeah this is being sort of orchestrated

2256
01:18:26,879 --> 01:18:25,690
from someplace else I don't see it as a

2257
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:26,889
random phenomena at all

2258
01:18:32,430 --> 01:18:29,290
that's amazing amazing you were talking

2259
01:18:34,350 --> 01:18:32,440
about messages and one of the things

2260
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:34,360
that seems to come up a lot in an

2261
01:18:39,419 --> 01:18:37,570
interview is people are getting some

2262
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:39,429
type of message that we should take care

2263
01:18:44,669 --> 01:18:42,370
of the planet what do you say about that

2264
01:18:46,620 --> 01:18:44,679
do you hear anything along those lines

2265
01:18:48,810 --> 01:18:46,630
oh yeah oh yeah for sure

2266
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:48,820
I mean 39% of all applause did the staff

2267
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:52,239
39% of all experiencers on board the

2268
01:18:56,189 --> 01:18:53,679
ship say they were shown the screen and

2269
01:18:58,620 --> 01:18:56,199
the screen has these environmental

2270
01:19:00,689 --> 01:18:58,630
images and that's why I say whatever you

2271
01:19:02,879 --> 01:19:00,699
think about experiencers or maybe

2272
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:02,889
somebody made it up because the Blue

2273
01:19:06,510 --> 01:19:04,449
Book study when they when they did the

2274
01:19:08,399 --> 01:19:06,520
thing of hoaxes the blue book report

2275
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:08,409
they were pretty skeptical they said 2

2276
01:19:11,850 --> 01:19:10,570
percent so if 2 percent of people are

2277
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:11,860
hosting that they saw the screen on

2278
01:19:15,660 --> 01:19:13,210
board the ship but a lot of people

2279
01:19:17,550 --> 01:19:15,670
describe this this whole thing and so

2280
01:19:19,709 --> 01:19:17,560
that's that's one of the things I say

2281
01:19:22,379 --> 01:19:19,719
that they're there in their in their

2282
01:19:24,060 --> 01:19:22,389
deadly against nuclear weapons they're

2283
01:19:26,939 --> 01:19:24,070
in this thing

2284
01:19:28,500 --> 01:19:26,949
I don't really I've sort of moved away

2285
01:19:29,340 --> 01:19:28,510
from the idea that there is actually

2286
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:29,350
gonna be sort of like an

2287
01:19:33,660 --> 01:19:31,120
end-of-the-world thing I know Chris

2288
01:19:35,850 --> 01:19:33,670
Bledsoe was when he got his sort of

2289
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:35,860
message from this shining lady person

2290
01:19:40,649 --> 01:19:38,770
that they they introduced him to he

2291
01:19:41,939 --> 01:19:40,659
actually dug up his backyard and he put

2292
01:19:42,930 --> 01:19:41,949
it in chicken coops almost like the end

2293
01:19:45,959 --> 01:19:42,940
of the world thing you know it's like

2294
01:19:47,700 --> 01:19:45,969
you know survivalist type stuff I've

2295
01:19:48,990 --> 01:19:47,710
moved away from that I think they may be

2296
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:49,000
just trying to get across the message of

2297
01:19:52,830 --> 01:19:51,250
take care of the planet but then I did

2298
01:19:53,790 --> 01:19:52,840
interview I was doing you know I do the

2299
01:19:55,919 --> 01:19:53,800
interviews for the people who fly the

2300
01:19:57,390 --> 01:19:55,929
ship and I did the one that's on my

2301
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:57,400
youtube channel with this Ron Johnson

2302
01:20:01,919 --> 01:19:59,920
guy from and I knew about this guy for

2303
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:01,929
many years I he used to go to UFO

2304
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:03,310
Congress all the time I used to see him

2305
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:04,570
there and he used to tell me it's got

2306
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:06,400
your real bizarre story but when I heard

2307
01:20:11,970 --> 01:20:09,489
he flown the ship that's when I said Ron

2308
01:20:15,209 --> 01:20:11,980
can I interview and I interviewed him

2309
01:20:16,890 --> 01:20:15,219
and I said and I've talked like 50

2310
01:20:20,129 --> 01:20:16,900
people I've got that on a list that are

2311
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:20,139
flown the ship and I said to him and I

2312
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:23,110
haven't asked many people I said Ron why

2313
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:24,250
did they let you fly the ship because

2314
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:25,330
remember the first woman that told me

2315
01:20:28,590 --> 01:20:27,010
she was like under 70s a woman there's

2316
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:28,600
seventies and she told me she's flying

2317
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:30,130
his ship I'm going I'm taking myself

2318
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:32,530
nuts like come on it's like I've heard

2319
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:34,480
lots of weird stuff but come on it's

2320
01:20:36,660 --> 01:20:35,290
like Robin

2321
01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:36,670
a bank and then grabbing the teller to

2322
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:38,500
drive the getaway car I mean why would

2323
01:20:40,620 --> 01:20:39,730
they light you to fly the ship you know

2324
01:20:43,410 --> 01:20:40,630
it doesn't make any sense

2325
01:20:45,450 --> 01:20:43,420
so I said to Ron I said well why why is

2326
01:20:47,490 --> 01:20:45,460
it letting you fly the ship why why you

2327
01:20:49,290 --> 01:20:47,500
flying the ship and he said well I'm a

2328
01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:49,300
pilot I'm moving people off the planet

2329
01:20:53,850 --> 01:20:51,310
and if you remember how I got started

2330
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,860
with well the tune tuned in BO that's

2331
01:20:57,420 --> 01:20:55,840
how the tuned in book came with the

2332
01:20:59,850 --> 01:20:57,430
music thing the connection to music

2333
01:21:02,490 --> 01:20:59,860
again it was it was a not a random event

2334
01:21:03,870 --> 01:21:02,500
because Chris phoned me up and he said I

2335
01:21:05,730 --> 01:21:03,880
got a message from the Guardians and

2336
01:21:07,620 --> 01:21:05,740
he's the Guardians and the guardians are

2337
01:21:10,350 --> 01:21:07,630
the ones that appear in the 2002 crop

2338
01:21:13,980 --> 01:21:10,360
circle with the with the the disc beware

2339
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:13,990
of false gifts and broken promises that

2340
01:21:17,190 --> 01:21:15,730
whole thing that's the Guardians there's

2341
01:21:19,290 --> 01:21:17,200
no doubt that's that's his Ellen he

2342
01:21:21,300 --> 01:21:19,300
paints it it's done by a sketch artist

2343
01:21:22,590 --> 01:21:21,310
he's exactly the same alien so he says I

2344
01:21:24,180 --> 01:21:22,600
got a message from the Guardians and

2345
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:24,190
because I got these bizarre experiences

2346
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:25,570
and I'd already had the dog experience

2347
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:27,370
so when he said I got a message I said

2348
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:29,860
oh really so what did the woman you know

2349
01:21:33,780 --> 01:21:31,930
and he said they want you to know the

2350
01:21:37,470 --> 01:21:33,790
message is in the music and that's what

2351
01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:37,480
I said well Chris you may be talking to

2352
01:21:42,570 --> 01:21:39,880
the wrong guy Chris because I don't play

2353
01:21:43,770 --> 01:21:42,580
music my whole family is musical I have

2354
01:21:45,420 --> 01:21:43,780
no musical ability

2355
01:21:46,740 --> 01:21:45,430
I've never taken lessons except first

2356
01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:46,750
six months when they pulled me out I

2357
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:48,760
don't listen to music I've never

2358
01:21:52,140 --> 01:21:50,170
listened to music except when people

2359
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:52,150
around me or whatever and he said oh

2360
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,610
well the song one song you should listen

2361
01:21:58,740 --> 01:21:56,560
to his Kashmir by Led Zeppelin I go

2362
01:22:00,600 --> 01:21:58,750
whatever Chris you know I think I'm

2363
01:22:02,970 --> 01:22:00,610
still not dressed like whatever and then

2364
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:02,980
it's the hook here comes the how they

2365
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:04,330
dragged me in here's a guy who's a

2366
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:06,400
musical idiot has no background music

2367
01:22:10,980 --> 01:22:08,650
could not care less he said and the

2368
01:22:12,780 --> 01:22:10,990
other song you should listen to is after

2369
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:12,790
the gold rush by Neil Young and that's

2370
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:15,520
the thing with the screen Neil Young

2371
01:22:20,490 --> 01:22:17,490
talks I mean a bombed out basement

2372
01:22:22,140 --> 01:22:20,500
the the silver seeds are coming they're

2373
01:22:24,210 --> 01:22:22,150
taking the chosen ones which is Avant

2374
01:22:26,220 --> 01:22:24,220
what a von Smith calls the experiences

2375
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:26,230
to a new home in the Sun and what Ron

2376
01:22:30,540 --> 01:22:27,490
says is I'm a pilot

2377
01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:30,550
I'm flying people off the planet to

2378
01:22:37,290 --> 01:22:34,030
other star systems I said you are like

2379
01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:37,300
I'm a bus driver and I go what and so

2380
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:38,710
this would happen with this thing with

2381
01:22:44,370 --> 01:22:41,920
Chris when Chris said this song and I

2382
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:44,380
said whatever and he said it was written

2383
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:46,650
by Neil Young and I went Neil Young

2384
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:48,850
that's how they got me

2385
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:51,370
new young Neil Young wrote wrote that

2386
01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:53,170
Neil Young's part of this UFO thing with

2387
01:22:56,730 --> 01:22:55,660
the message and he said yeah I said I

2388
01:22:58,830 --> 01:22:56,740
live with living Winnipeg Manitoba

2389
01:23:00,270 --> 01:22:58,840
Canada which I said I make the joke this

2390
01:23:02,130 --> 01:23:00,280
is the city in Canada where even people

2391
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:02,140
in Canada don't want to visit I mean

2392
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:03,040
it's in the middle of nowhere it's the

2393
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:04,930
coldest major city in the world nobody

2394
01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:06,730
lives here but Neil Young grew up here

2395
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:08,740
we have all these big bands that came

2396
01:23:12,570 --> 01:23:10,510
out of Winnipeg and Neil Young was one

2397
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:12,580
so when they said Neil Young wrote this

2398
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:14,890
song and it's the UFO go young are you

2399
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,690
kidding me that started to look at the

2400
01:23:19,890 --> 01:23:18,400
music because I Neil Young was involved

2401
01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:19,900
and as soon as I saw another song

2402
01:23:23,550 --> 01:23:21,580
another song another song then I found

2403
01:23:25,950 --> 01:23:23,560
the book called alien rock by Michael

2404
01:23:28,350 --> 01:23:25,960
luck men he's got 333 pages of all the

2405
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:28,360
connections between musicians and how

2406
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:31,570
many you know had sightings and

2407
01:23:35,370 --> 01:23:33,850
abductions and all this guy stuff and I

2408
01:23:37,470 --> 01:23:35,380
was hooked and that turned into a book

2409
01:23:38,730 --> 01:23:37,480
so that's the whole thing it's like to

2410
01:23:41,790 --> 01:23:38,740
me it's not random when you see these

2411
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:41,800
things happening to me and I've even got

2412
01:23:46,380 --> 01:23:44,770
another one that that I've got one and

2413
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:46,390
we're gonna use non-disclosure

2414
01:23:51,410 --> 01:23:47,710
agreements one of the projects I'm gonna

2415
01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:51,420
work on now is to get UFO documentaries

2416
01:23:58,100 --> 01:23:54,670
distributed worldwide we have there's a

2417
01:24:00,150 --> 01:23:58,110
connection to an intelligence that

2418
01:24:02,730 --> 01:24:00,160
definitely looks like it set this thing

2419
01:24:04,410 --> 01:24:02,740
up and I have to protect the guy who's

2420
01:24:05,700 --> 01:24:04,420
the connection to the intelligence but

2421
01:24:07,710 --> 01:24:05,710
this what we're working on desta who's

2422
01:24:09,870 --> 01:24:07,720
my assistant is actually doing the

2423
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:09,880
negotiation and I know that there's like

2424
01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:11,770
this they can do this whoever this is

2425
01:24:16,980 --> 01:24:14,470
and they told me that most UFO

2426
01:24:19,260 --> 01:24:16,990
documentaries go nowhere you may get it

2427
01:24:21,450 --> 01:24:19,270
into it like the Film Festival the EB

2428
01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:21,460
Film Festival or whatever you show it at

2429
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:24,070
one event or you one network picks it up

2430
01:24:27,810 --> 01:24:26,290
for one presentation whoever but vast

2431
01:24:30,090 --> 01:24:27,820
majority this is I'm told by people who

2432
01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:30,100
are experts at this go nowhere and this

2433
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:32,230
is a program that we are looking at now

2434
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:33,910
under how long it's going to take and

2435
01:24:37,980 --> 01:24:35,890
we're going to do is we're going to

2436
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:37,990
protect the source to where this is

2437
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:40,930
coming from but otherwise I think we can

2438
01:24:46,410 --> 01:24:43,840
now make a move to distribute UFO

2439
01:24:48,510 --> 01:24:46,420
documentaries worldwide so this again is

2440
01:24:50,220 --> 01:24:48,520
another message I got another because

2441
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:50,230
the guy had this experience it came to

2442
01:24:55,860 --> 01:24:53,730
me and I said they're contacted you I

2443
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:55,870
think they contacted you for a reason

2444
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:57,130
this is the whole deal is we got to

2445
01:25:01,739 --> 01:24:59,920
protect who's this contact is that that

2446
01:25:03,149 --> 01:25:01,749
he gets contacted

2447
01:25:04,829 --> 01:25:03,159
with this sort of like a message and

2448
01:25:06,569 --> 01:25:04,839
we're trying to figure out what is he

2449
01:25:08,219 --> 01:25:06,579
supposed to do and I always thought it

2450
01:25:10,259 --> 01:25:08,229
was this thing like that's his position

2451
01:25:11,879 --> 01:25:10,269
he can do this kind of thing he can move

2452
01:25:13,829 --> 01:25:11,889
these things move around the world and

2453
01:25:15,779 --> 01:25:13,839
in he's in the game

2454
01:25:17,309 --> 01:25:15,789
I mean he's bought in like me he fell

2455
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:17,319
off the edge of the world and he's he's

2456
01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:18,639
in this game and he's trying to figure

2457
01:25:21,689 --> 01:25:20,409
out what am I supposed to do and so

2458
01:25:23,489 --> 01:25:21,699
we're just working on this right now and

2459
01:25:24,899 --> 01:25:23,499
so that's my world has completely

2460
01:25:26,909 --> 01:25:24,909
changed with this consciousness thing

2461
01:25:29,309 --> 01:25:26,919
and with these messages thing where I

2462
01:25:32,369 --> 01:25:29,319
see UFOs in a completely different world

2463
01:25:34,889 --> 01:25:32,379
what I did in 75 and 75 was just UFO

2464
01:25:37,079 --> 01:25:34,899
sightings this is so cool let's try to

2465
01:25:42,319 --> 01:25:37,089
catch it let's try to film it stuff like

2466
01:25:50,129 --> 01:25:47,719
now you you worked for years on

2467
01:25:53,399 --> 01:25:50,139
presidents and UFOs and the connection

2468
01:25:56,399 --> 01:25:53,409
there and a while ago I had Chris Mellon

2469
01:25:58,609 --> 01:25:56,409
dial up my show and he basically said

2470
01:26:01,709 --> 01:25:58,619
that if a president wanted to know about

2471
01:26:03,929 --> 01:26:01,719
UFOs and the government had that

2472
01:26:08,339 --> 01:26:03,939
information then they would have to tell

2473
01:26:09,959 --> 01:26:08,349
him and so and then it came up with the

2474
01:26:13,109 --> 01:26:09,969
possibility that some things may be

2475
01:26:15,389 --> 01:26:13,119
privatized in some way where there

2476
01:26:17,699 --> 01:26:15,399
wasn't a need to know it wasn't there

2477
01:26:20,729 --> 01:26:17,709
wasn't any that wouldn't have to be any

2478
01:26:22,739 --> 01:26:20,739
like hearing or anything on it so I just

2479
01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:22,749
wanted your feedback on on that

2480
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:25,689
statement okay well what I would say is

2481
01:26:29,519 --> 01:26:28,449
that the whole thing is this is the

2482
01:26:31,259 --> 01:26:29,529
presentation I'm going to do tomorrow

2483
01:26:34,649 --> 01:26:31,269
it's gonna be an hour or PowerPoint

2484
01:26:36,509 --> 01:26:34,659
presentation on the president's book of

2485
01:26:39,839 --> 01:26:36,519
UFO secrets said the president gets a

2486
01:26:43,139 --> 01:26:39,849
presidential daily briefing and there's

2487
01:26:44,759 --> 01:26:43,149
this idea that some people believe that

2488
01:26:46,469 --> 01:26:44,769
the president doesn't have a need to

2489
01:26:48,029 --> 01:26:46,479
know that the president is cut out

2490
01:26:50,609 --> 01:26:48,039
whether it's privatized or whatever

2491
01:26:51,559 --> 01:26:50,619
Donald Trump just solved that problem

2492
01:26:54,539 --> 01:26:51,569
for everybody

2493
01:26:58,259 --> 01:26:54,549
he pulled John Brennan's security

2494
01:27:00,449 --> 01:26:58,269
clearance people do not realize the

2495
01:27:02,309 --> 01:27:00,459
president does not have a security

2496
01:27:05,009 --> 01:27:02,319
clearance so anybody who comes to you

2497
01:27:07,739 --> 01:27:05,019
and says I've got 25 levels above the

2498
01:27:09,899 --> 01:27:07,749
president or can or whatever run it's

2499
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:09,909
not true the President does not have his

2500
01:27:14,669 --> 01:27:12,159
security clearance the president runs

2501
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:14,679
security clearances he pulled John

2502
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:16,010
Brennan secure

2503
01:27:20,110 --> 01:27:17,600
he said I'm running the secure glance

2504
01:27:21,370 --> 01:27:20,120
you no longer have one and he said I'm

2505
01:27:24,340 --> 01:27:21,380
going to pull all these other ones the

2506
01:27:26,350 --> 01:27:24,350
FBI there's even a story that he's that

2507
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,360
the rumored story was that he may pull

2508
01:27:31,630 --> 01:27:29,120
Mueller's from the Russian investigation

2509
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:31,640
pull his security clearance because the

2510
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,290
president is the person who hands out

2511
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:35,120
two security clearances the president

2512
01:27:40,180 --> 01:27:38,210
effectively could cancel every security

2513
01:27:42,700 --> 01:27:40,190
clearance in the country security

2514
01:27:45,010 --> 01:27:42,710
clearances are not done by law they're

2515
01:27:48,340 --> 01:27:45,020
done through executive order the first

2516
01:27:52,410 --> 01:27:48,350
one was eighty three eighty one in nine

2517
01:27:56,470 --> 01:27:52,420
in 1941 by Roosevelt it's established

2518
01:28:00,580 --> 01:27:56,480
confidential and secret then in 51 isin

2519
01:28:02,740 --> 01:28:00,590
her added top-secret Eisen no Truman

2520
01:28:04,780 --> 01:28:02,750
added top-secret Eisenhower added

2521
01:28:06,430 --> 01:28:04,790
need-to-know for national security and

2522
01:28:08,110 --> 01:28:06,440
they've just elaborated this whole thing

2523
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:08,120
of how security works so the president

2524
01:28:11,890 --> 01:28:09,530
can see whatever the president wants to

2525
01:28:13,630 --> 01:28:11,900
see and if the president the way that

2526
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:13,640
I'm gonna describe this tomorrow the

2527
01:28:17,950 --> 01:28:15,530
president has a daily brief so they come

2528
01:28:19,810 --> 01:28:17,960
in and Trump only has it every third day

2529
01:28:20,890 --> 01:28:19,820
or something it's all done orally he

2530
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:20,900
doesn't want to read anything or

2531
01:28:24,190 --> 01:28:22,610
whatever but the way usually works is

2532
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:24,200
the you have a briefer comes into the

2533
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:26,210
president's office every morning with

2534
01:28:29,620 --> 01:28:28,010
this very short it's between one and

2535
01:28:31,210 --> 01:28:29,630
twenty pages depending what the

2536
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:31,220
president wants to see how much he wants

2537
01:28:36,010 --> 01:28:32,800
he comes in and this is the latest

2538
01:28:37,930 --> 01:28:36,020
material we have around the world the

2539
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:37,940
pot the most top-secret material here's

2540
01:28:41,290 --> 01:28:39,410
to the president the briefer will answer

2541
01:28:42,610 --> 01:28:41,300
every question and on the page as

2542
01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:42,620
there's a book written called the

2543
01:28:46,330 --> 01:28:44,150
president's book of secrets he was

2544
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:46,340
written by a guy named dr. David price

2545
01:28:50,110 --> 01:28:48,800
and I found this book at the same time

2546
01:28:51,670 --> 01:28:50,120
this whole thing was happening with John

2547
01:28:53,260 --> 01:28:51,680
Brennan and it came together it's like

2548
01:28:55,780 --> 01:28:53,270
the synchronicity thing again came

2549
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:55,790
together and what prey says is and and

2550
01:29:00,730 --> 01:28:59,120
these a lot of these presidential daily

2551
01:29:03,250 --> 01:29:00,740
briefings have been released the ones

2552
01:29:04,630 --> 01:29:03,260
from the Truman Eisenhower Kennedy and

2553
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,640
Johnson have been released so the

2554
01:29:08,140 --> 01:29:06,320
question is why are they releasing UFOs

2555
01:29:10,030 --> 01:29:08,150
kiss that you always released the stuff

2556
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:10,040
eventually the historians release the

2557
01:29:12,820 --> 01:29:11,360
stuff it's good truly so these

2558
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:12,830
top-secret stuff for the four

2559
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:14,810
administrations a lot of them have been

2560
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:16,400
released so it comes in gives the

2561
01:29:20,110 --> 01:29:18,290
president the briefing and has like

2562
01:29:21,700 --> 01:29:20,120
little points so maybe if he doesn't

2563
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:21,710
like to read it's like two paragraphs

2564
01:29:26,530 --> 01:29:24,320
long ten eight eight items to prior

2565
01:29:28,929 --> 01:29:26,540
graphs line and the vast majority of the

2566
01:29:31,929 --> 01:29:28,939
paper is

2567
01:29:34,989 --> 01:29:31,939
blink and the reason it's blank is the

2568
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:34,999
president says I want more on this

2569
01:29:39,310 --> 01:29:37,280
what's this about the president can ask

2570
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:39,320
whatever he wants and so if the

2571
01:29:45,549 --> 01:29:41,360
president wants to know something then

2572
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:45,559
he will basically request it and they

2573
01:29:50,259 --> 01:29:48,050
have to he can pull their security

2574
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:50,269
clearance they're basically the CI works

2575
01:29:53,890 --> 01:29:51,650
for the president to bring the best

2576
01:29:56,169 --> 01:29:53,900
material one of the weird things was

2577
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:56,179
that Brennan whose security clearance

2578
01:30:02,319 --> 01:29:58,239
they pull if you remember what happened

2579
01:30:04,569 --> 01:30:02,329
Brandon was the CI Director for Obama

2580
01:30:05,529 --> 01:30:04,579
for the last four years if you look what

2581
01:30:08,529 --> 01:30:05,539
happened during the Obama administration

2582
01:30:10,330 --> 01:30:08,539
I was saying this when I wrote my books

2583
01:30:12,009 --> 01:30:10,340
I wrote this that Obama was big time

2584
01:30:13,810 --> 01:30:12,019
into this Obama started this whole

2585
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:13,820
disclosure thing they've been disclosing

2586
01:30:16,209 --> 01:30:14,510
for 70 years

2587
01:30:19,330 --> 01:30:16,219
Obama was into it he was trying to do

2588
01:30:23,259 --> 01:30:19,340
what he could to so under Brennan on the

2589
01:30:25,719 --> 01:30:23,269
CIA web page see I said since 1951 we're

2590
01:30:27,969 --> 01:30:25,729
not involved in UFOs not interested and

2591
01:30:29,409 --> 01:30:27,979
then suddenly they run this article and

2592
01:30:32,140 --> 01:30:29,419
they put it on their Twitter account

2593
01:30:35,049 --> 01:30:32,150
that says how do you investigate a UFO

2594
01:30:37,089 --> 01:30:35,059
and it's a straight-up piece so they go

2595
01:30:37,839 --> 01:30:37,099
from not being involved to putting this

2596
01:30:39,429 --> 01:30:37,849
on the front page

2597
01:30:41,169 --> 01:30:39,439
I say when they put that on the front

2598
01:30:42,250 --> 01:30:41,179
page they need some of these permission

2599
01:30:43,989 --> 01:30:42,260
they need the president's permission

2600
01:30:45,339 --> 01:30:43,999
they're not going to just stick UFO

2601
01:30:46,899 --> 01:30:45,349
thing on the front page when they've

2602
01:30:48,850 --> 01:30:46,909
been to nine the whole thing and then

2603
01:30:50,859 --> 01:30:48,860
you see it two days before Obama leaves

2604
01:30:54,009 --> 01:30:50,869
they released his 12 million pages of

2605
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:54,019
material remote viewing stuff UFO stuff

2606
01:31:01,750 --> 01:30:58,010
and then the day after Trump comes in

2607
01:31:04,270 --> 01:31:01,760
he's inaugurated Brennan shows up in

2608
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:04,280
Florida and Billy Cox interviews him and

2609
01:31:08,739 --> 01:31:07,010
he gives the spiel oh yeah I've known

2610
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,749
I've known for a long time that we were

2611
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:10,159
working on this stuff we should

2612
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:11,360
investigate UFOs

2613
01:31:16,330 --> 01:31:14,090
pérot UFO stuff here's the guy he's only

2614
01:31:18,219 --> 01:31:16,340
been out of the CIA for one day and he's

2615
01:31:20,199 --> 01:31:18,229
given this Pro thing yes is almost like

2616
01:31:21,370 --> 01:31:20,209
the to the stars yes this is important

2617
01:31:23,739 --> 01:31:21,380
we should investigate this sort of stuff

2618
01:31:25,299 --> 01:31:23,749
and then you look back and start to look

2619
01:31:27,759 --> 01:31:25,309
at this stuff and I suddenly realized

2620
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:27,769
Brennan was a briefer for President

2621
01:31:30,819 --> 01:31:29,570
Clinton so you remember he was one of

2622
01:31:32,469 --> 01:31:30,829
the presidential briefers that walked

2623
01:31:34,029 --> 01:31:32,479
into president's office gave him the

2624
01:31:35,319 --> 01:31:34,039
briefing the president would read it and

2625
01:31:36,669 --> 01:31:35,329
then he would he would have all the

2626
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:36,679
answers and he'd say okay I wanna know

2627
01:31:39,699 --> 01:31:38,090
about this and the presidential briefer

2628
01:31:41,589 --> 01:31:39,709
would answer and then to do what called

2629
01:31:42,540 --> 01:31:41,599
deep dive so if the president wants

2630
01:31:45,480 --> 01:31:42,550
Roswell

2631
01:31:46,980 --> 01:31:45,490
which he did he would say ok I want to

2632
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:46,990
know about Roswell do a deep dive on

2633
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:48,370
Roswell and they would have to go and

2634
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:50,170
gather all the material and that's what

2635
01:31:54,090 --> 01:31:51,850
bill said so you hear all these stories

2636
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:54,100
that bill says you know III I was

2637
01:31:56,700 --> 01:31:55,450
embarrassed I tried to get stuff and I

2638
01:31:58,530 --> 01:31:56,710
couldn't get everything and every said

2639
01:32:00,150 --> 01:31:58,540
she was denied access whatever but if

2640
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:00,160
you actually listen to it he said oh I

2641
01:32:05,130 --> 01:32:03,010
requested all the Roswell material and I

2642
01:32:07,290 --> 01:32:05,140
looked through it and no there wasn't a

2643
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:07,300
UFO so he actually plays both sides of

2644
01:32:11,010 --> 01:32:09,310
the game the president can ask for

2645
01:32:13,140 --> 01:32:11,020
whatever he says what I say they're

2646
01:32:15,230 --> 01:32:13,150
doing is they want the plausible

2647
01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:15,240
deniability thing they want you to think

2648
01:32:19,740 --> 01:32:18,670
that it's the deep dark cabal because

2649
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:19,750
that's what they want you to chase

2650
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:20,800
because you're gonna chase it for the

2651
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:22,000
rest of your life and you're never gonna

2652
01:32:25,860 --> 01:32:24,130
find it out if it suddenly realized

2653
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:25,870
everybody suddenly realizes the

2654
01:32:31,170 --> 01:32:28,810
president is behind the cover-up he's

2655
01:32:33,270 --> 01:32:31,180
the Wizard of Oz he's the guy that runs

2656
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:33,280
all the security he's the guy that

2657
01:32:36,780 --> 01:32:35,410
controls security clearances then

2658
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:36,790
everybody knows where the president

2659
01:32:41,670 --> 01:32:39,490
lives and that's why when you saw when

2660
01:32:44,010 --> 01:32:41,680
the to the stars when they did the thing

2661
01:32:45,810 --> 01:32:44,020
on January 2 sitting on December 16th

2662
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:45,820
near Times Washington Post political

2663
01:32:50,820 --> 01:32:48,970
break the story all at the same time the

2664
01:32:52,830 --> 01:32:50,830
same day they all went with this story

2665
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:52,840
took two months to do timed it perfectly

2666
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:55,600
then the this guy from the hill the

2667
01:33:02,490 --> 01:32:58,480
newspaper the hill in Washington asks

2668
01:33:03,870 --> 01:33:02,500
the question is Obama or is Trump

2669
01:33:06,900 --> 01:33:03,880
interest in UFOs and is he gonna

2670
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:06,910
refinance the ATM program Sarah Sanders

2671
01:33:11,370 --> 01:33:08,770
later tells him after the news

2672
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:11,380
conference says we knew that somebody

2673
01:33:15,810 --> 01:33:13,810
might ask that question but we didn't

2674
01:33:18,030 --> 01:33:15,820
think anybody would and so what did she

2675
01:33:20,970 --> 01:33:18,040
say she said well I've never talked to

2676
01:33:30,570 --> 01:33:20,980
Donald Trump about UFOs but I'll ask

2677
01:33:33,210 --> 01:33:30,580
them and I'll get back and not answer

2678
01:33:34,650 --> 01:33:33,220
you have operation because this pausable

2679
01:33:36,210 --> 01:33:34,660
night they want you to think the

2680
01:33:37,860 --> 01:33:36,220
president's an idiot he doesn't know

2681
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:37,870
what's going on Donald Trump is taking

2682
01:33:42,150 --> 01:33:40,330
orders from people on behind the scenes

2683
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:42,160
it's not true everybody's like Donald

2684
01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:44,560
Trump they do whatever they want and the

2685
01:33:47,460 --> 01:33:46,450
president has complete control and they

2686
01:33:49,050 --> 01:33:47,470
want you to think because they don't

2687
01:33:50,340 --> 01:33:49,060
want you asking questions of the

2688
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:50,350
President on UFOs

2689
01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:52,690
because it unravels very fast once you

2690
01:34:00,560 --> 01:33:54,329
realize who's running the cover-up

2691
01:34:03,109 --> 01:34:00,570
well and so do you think now that things

2692
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:03,119
have well first of all do you think

2693
01:34:08,540 --> 01:34:06,690
things would be different if if Hillary

2694
01:34:11,149 --> 01:34:08,550
had gotten in instead of Trump because I

2695
01:34:13,729 --> 01:34:11,159
remember there were people talking UFOs

2696
01:34:15,919 --> 01:34:13,739
with her ahead of time or do you think

2697
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:15,929
the things would all just come out the

2698
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:19,290
way they have come out I mean just

2699
01:34:25,819 --> 01:34:24,719
speculation speculation I think I think

2700
01:34:28,490 --> 01:34:25,829
it would have been the same I think it

2701
01:34:32,660 --> 01:34:28,500
was planned because if you know I wrote

2702
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:32,670
the book the but Tom DeLonge long before

2703
01:34:36,049 --> 01:34:34,320
Tom DeLonge came out I was talking about

2704
01:34:37,129 --> 01:34:36,059
this and that fact I was told that's

2705
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:37,139
what they're going to do they were going

2706
01:34:39,799 --> 01:34:38,730
to drop this thing high-level government

2707
01:34:41,930 --> 01:34:39,809
people were going to come out note

2708
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:41,940
themselves and say UFOs are real which

2709
01:34:46,850 --> 01:34:44,340
is exactly what happened so they had as

2710
01:34:48,379 --> 01:34:46,860
you realized they had the the whatever

2711
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:48,389
for our interview with Podesta or

2712
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:50,130
whatever was some long interview they've

2713
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:52,050
done all that kind of stuff but would

2714
01:34:54,830 --> 01:34:53,040
you guy remember with the Hillary

2715
01:34:58,430 --> 01:34:54,840
Clinton thing it's the same thing that

2716
01:35:00,589 --> 01:34:58,440
this is done by a book it's not it's not

2717
01:35:02,419 --> 01:35:00,599
some random thing that they just sort of

2718
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,429
throw out there it was very carefully

2719
01:35:05,569 --> 01:35:04,320
planned because Hillary and I was remind

2720
01:35:07,839 --> 01:35:05,579
people Hillary

2721
01:35:10,459 --> 01:35:07,849
never brought up the subject of UFOs

2722
01:35:12,379 --> 01:35:10,469
Hillary answered three questions if you

2723
01:35:14,780 --> 01:35:12,389
remember what happened was John Podesta

2724
01:35:17,209 --> 01:35:14,790
said to Lena Dunham

2725
01:35:18,890 --> 01:35:17,219
first he does to tweet he says the most

2726
01:35:21,260 --> 01:35:18,900
important thing of today in my biggest

2727
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,270
opponent of 2014 not getting new fo

2728
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:23,760
stuff then later in the year Lena Dunham

2729
01:35:28,189 --> 01:35:26,250
doesn't interview it with Hillary no

2730
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:28,199
UFOs come up and he said good interview

2731
01:35:34,939 --> 01:35:31,199
Lena next time ask her about the aliens

2732
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:34,949
this is September of 2015 so that John

2733
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:37,290
Podesta is telling reporters ask Hillary

2734
01:35:40,430 --> 01:35:38,639
about the aliens they're setting this

2735
01:35:42,260 --> 01:35:40,440
thing up Hillary can't bring it up I

2736
01:35:44,060 --> 01:35:42,270
don't know why this is Hillary is not

2737
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:44,070
allowed to bring it up but she's allowed

2738
01:35:48,049 --> 01:35:46,110
to ask question so she goes on the

2739
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:48,059
Kimmel show this happens September

2740
01:35:51,799 --> 01:35:49,920
November she goes on the Kimmel show and

2741
01:35:52,549 --> 01:35:51,809
if you remember the the the WikiLeaks

2742
01:35:53,839 --> 01:35:52,559
releases

2743
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:53,849
she's waiting for the question and

2744
01:35:58,010 --> 01:35:56,250
Kimmel doesn't ask her and she's upset

2745
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:58,020
John writes this thing she's upset

2746
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:00,719
because she practiced for five minutes

2747
01:36:04,459 --> 01:36:02,400
she had this answer for the UFO thing

2748
01:36:06,020 --> 01:36:04,469
and they didn't ask her and so she had

2749
01:36:07,730 --> 01:36:06,030
to wait and then it wasn't until Damon

2750
01:36:10,820 --> 01:36:07,740
steer in New Hampshire

2751
01:36:13,130 --> 01:36:10,830
in December asks her about UFOs and she

2752
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:13,140
opens up and she doesn't she does it

2753
01:36:16,820 --> 01:36:15,210
then she goes to the breakfast club he

2754
01:36:18,530 --> 01:36:16,830
asked her the question and the guy says

2755
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:18,540
I think I was abducted twice and she

2756
01:36:23,660 --> 01:36:21,330
goes oh yeah like I said nothing okay

2757
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:23,670
you know doctor she's she's straight as

2758
01:36:26,900 --> 01:36:25,650
can be and but she's not allowed to

2759
01:36:29,330 --> 01:36:26,910
bring it up so she answers three

2760
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:29,340
questions about it so I think it might

2761
01:36:33,980 --> 01:36:30,570
have gone a little bit faster but I

2762
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:33,990
think this is it may have been Brandon

2763
01:36:37,130 --> 01:36:35,130
that brought up who's the guy who would

2764
01:36:38,810 --> 01:36:37,140
do the briefing for President Obama the

2765
01:36:40,970 --> 01:36:38,820
way he described it is what I think is

2766
01:36:43,220 --> 01:36:40,980
going on it's not something that any one

2767
01:36:44,780 --> 01:36:43,230
president wants to do and he describes

2768
01:36:47,030 --> 01:36:44,790
he said when we go in to the president

2769
01:36:48,620 --> 01:36:47,040
when we do this big intelligence

2770
01:36:50,410 --> 01:36:48,630
briefing that happens November after the

2771
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:50,420
win the election he goes in and he says

2772
01:36:57,230 --> 01:36:54,410
okay Martin you've won the election

2773
01:36:59,060 --> 01:36:57,240
here's here's your briefing now we're

2774
01:37:00,410 --> 01:36:59,070
doing this we're doing this we're doing

2775
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:00,420
this we're doing this four days and

2776
01:37:03,380 --> 01:37:01,650
we're killing this guy and we're doing

2777
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:03,390
this we're throwing an overthrowing this

2778
01:37:07,190 --> 01:37:04,800
government and you go through all this

2779
01:37:08,810 --> 01:37:07,200
dirty stuff into Obama said he was

2780
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:08,820
briefed in a building that had bars on

2781
01:37:12,140 --> 01:37:10,650
wind who said he makes the joke he said

2782
01:37:13,730 --> 01:37:12,150
if there had not been bars on the window

2783
01:37:15,020 --> 01:37:13,740
I'm gonna jump though as they go through

2784
01:37:16,220 --> 01:37:15,030
this briefing we're doing is and then

2785
01:37:18,290 --> 01:37:16,230
what he says it's called the wake-up

2786
01:37:18,890 --> 01:37:18,300
call so it says mr. president these are

2787
01:37:23,780 --> 01:37:18,900
done

2788
01:37:25,700 --> 01:37:23,790
behalf of the presidency of the United

2789
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:25,710
States he said when you put your hand on

2790
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:29,280
the Bible on January 21st unless you

2791
01:37:33,110 --> 01:37:31,650
tell us to stop mr. president we're

2792
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:33,120
still going to be doing this and this

2793
01:37:37,460 --> 01:37:36,000
this and this these are things that go

2794
01:37:39,020 --> 01:37:37,470
through all different administrations

2795
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:39,030
and the president can change it you can

2796
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:40,890
stop various programs but these are

2797
01:37:43,580 --> 01:37:42,330
programs to run for administration are

2798
01:37:45,380 --> 01:37:43,590
men and that's where I think the UFO

2799
01:37:48,260 --> 01:37:45,390
thing is it's a program that's been run

2800
01:37:51,380 --> 01:37:48,270
since 1947 since they showed Kenneth

2801
01:37:53,420 --> 01:37:51,390
Arnold gave him to UFO photographs that

2802
01:37:55,550 --> 01:37:53,430
looked like gun camera footage and said

2803
01:37:57,290 --> 01:37:55,560
these are for 4th Air Force these are

2804
01:37:59,900 --> 01:37:57,300
UFOs and tried to convince them that

2805
01:38:02,930 --> 01:37:59,910
these were real UFO photographs or in 56

2806
01:38:06,590 --> 01:38:02,940
when they put blue bug people on the UFO

2807
01:38:08,750 --> 01:38:06,600
called the doc of the movie called UFO

2808
01:38:09,980 --> 01:38:08,760
to advise as to what to put in the movie

2809
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:09,990
they've been helping they've been

2810
01:38:15,650 --> 01:38:12,570
dropping this story all the way through

2811
01:38:17,630 --> 01:38:15,660
and we've just accelerated this thing to

2812
01:38:20,090 --> 01:38:17,640
a point where the way I say they've been

2813
01:38:20,890 --> 01:38:20,100
disclosing it all along but now they've

2814
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:20,900
learned how to do

2815
01:38:24,340 --> 01:38:22,610
better and they've learned how to put

2816
01:38:25,540 --> 01:38:24,350
steroids in the water and that's what

2817
01:38:28,060 --> 01:38:25,550
they've done they really moved this

2818
01:38:30,459 --> 01:38:28,070
thing ahead Jim semi van is this expert

2819
01:38:32,500 --> 01:38:30,469
guy who is able to do this thing all the

2820
01:38:33,939 --> 01:38:32,510
programs bill Moore's had a retired CIA

2821
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:33,949
guy running it

2822
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:35,840
they all run the same sort of program

2823
01:38:39,340 --> 01:38:37,730
and they've just learned to do this and

2824
01:38:41,140 --> 01:38:39,350
they've done it very effectively with

2825
01:38:42,669 --> 01:38:41,150
this New York Times thing where they're

2826
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:42,679
doing the almost what the the beings

2827
01:38:47,020 --> 01:38:44,690
they the aliens are doing because if the

2828
01:38:48,010 --> 01:38:47,030
aliens want to disclose they come out on

2829
01:38:49,899 --> 01:38:48,020
the White House lawn and tell us what's

2830
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:49,909
going on so they're covering up as well

2831
01:38:54,189 --> 01:38:52,489
they're doing this gradual climatization

2832
01:38:55,899 --> 01:38:54,199
thing the gradual disclosure thing

2833
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:55,909
there's no doubt that the intelligence

2834
01:38:58,899 --> 01:38:57,530
is doing it the same as the government

2835
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,909
students if the government wanted to

2836
01:39:01,780 --> 01:39:00,320
disclose it stand up and tell us what's

2837
01:39:03,850 --> 01:39:01,790
going on they're not they're doing this

2838
01:39:04,959 --> 01:39:03,860
half they're not covering up because

2839
01:39:06,820 --> 01:39:04,969
they want to cover up to do what

2840
01:39:08,620 --> 01:39:06,830
Canada's doing shut up and quit talking

2841
01:39:09,850 --> 01:39:08,630
about it no but I don't know what's

2842
01:39:10,959 --> 01:39:09,860
going on god I have no idea with the

2843
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:10,969
Canadian government cuz they don't talk

2844
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:13,130
about it if you want to cover up you

2845
01:39:16,810 --> 01:39:14,810
just don't talk about it you don't drop

2846
01:39:18,850 --> 01:39:16,820
stuff in so they're not both the

2847
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:18,860
intelligence and the government are not

2848
01:39:21,550 --> 01:39:20,719
disclosing and they're not covering up

2849
01:39:23,890 --> 01:39:21,560
they're doing something in between

2850
01:39:24,910 --> 01:39:23,900
they're doing this gradual drip drip

2851
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:24,920
thing and it's almost like the

2852
01:39:28,630 --> 01:39:26,449
government learned it from the beings of

2853
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:28,640
how to do this that you can't you can't

2854
01:39:33,370 --> 01:39:31,130
drop it in people all at one time

2855
01:39:35,290 --> 01:39:33,380
because you're gonna get you know the

2856
01:39:36,850 --> 01:39:35,300
stock market meltdown meltdown you're

2857
01:39:38,740 --> 01:39:36,860
gonna get panic all this or stuff so you

2858
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:38,750
do it gradually like kid green you tell

2859
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:40,010
them the kids are you know they're

2860
01:39:42,490 --> 01:39:41,360
eating your kids you put these stories

2861
01:39:44,290 --> 01:39:42,500
in National Enquirer and all these

2862
01:39:46,540 --> 01:39:44,300
different places and then when the story

2863
01:39:49,330 --> 01:39:46,550
breaks it's not that story and everybody

2864
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:49,340
goes up ya know it's a big deal and

2865
01:39:53,649 --> 01:39:51,050
they're so they're manipulating people

2866
01:39:55,180 --> 01:39:53,659
with that story to gradually and that's

2867
01:39:58,209 --> 01:39:55,190
what the Brookings Institute report

2868
01:39:59,680 --> 01:39:58,219
showed in the early 1960s that you've

2869
01:40:02,050 --> 01:39:59,690
got our climate eyes to people if you

2870
01:40:04,419 --> 01:40:02,060
don't do it slowly privatize the people

2871
01:40:06,729 --> 01:40:04,429
the lower civilization could completely

2872
01:40:09,580 --> 01:40:06,739
be wiped out do you think that the

2873
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:09,590
government actually knows what these

2874
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:13,250
things are I think they know a lot but

2875
01:40:18,850 --> 01:40:16,159
I'm actually gonna write a paper where I

2876
01:40:21,250 --> 01:40:18,860
think that they really don't know very

2877
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:21,260
much of all I I actually was released I

2878
01:40:26,830 --> 01:40:22,880
know if you know this I had some

2879
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:26,840
documents leaked to me on eyes-only

2880
01:40:31,780 --> 01:40:29,810
study by President Johnson and I've got

2881
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:31,790
a hundred of the 300 pages that were

2882
01:40:33,729 --> 01:40:33,050
gonna write a manuscript the guy who's

2883
01:40:35,229 --> 01:40:33,739
running it

2884
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:35,239
there was 8 people on the program and

2885
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:38,480
one of them was art Lundell and art

2886
01:40:41,979 --> 01:40:40,249
Lundell is the equivalent of kid green

2887
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:41,989
so what they have in the CIA they have

2888
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:44,570
one operational CI guy who runs the

2889
01:40:49,149 --> 01:40:46,880
weird desk or the CI desk so it was our

2890
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:49,159
lund all then it was kid green now it's

2891
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:51,650
around Pandolfi and so art lund all was

2892
01:40:58,989 --> 01:40:54,800
on this 1968 program whatever for

2893
01:41:00,700 --> 01:40:58,999
President Johnson to look at UFOs and

2894
01:41:03,250 --> 01:41:00,710
basically they came up with nothing and

2895
01:41:05,379 --> 01:41:03,260
the key was that Arthur lund all was on

2896
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:05,389
this on this investigation and so was

2897
01:41:09,069 --> 01:41:06,800
the head of Lockheed skunkworks

2898
01:41:11,290 --> 01:41:09,079
Kelly Johnson was on there so the

2899
01:41:12,850 --> 01:41:11,300
question is if Kelly Johnson is on there

2900
01:41:14,350 --> 01:41:12,860
and Lundell is on there and they didn't

2901
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:14,360
discover anything maybe they don't know

2902
01:41:19,149 --> 01:41:16,249
anything the same as if you start

2903
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:19,159
looking at I often wonder if you hear

2904
01:41:21,970 --> 01:41:20,050
all these stories we got these

2905
01:41:24,729 --> 01:41:21,980
spacecrafts and we're flying around or

2906
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:24,739
whatever and so I say so why is Bob

2907
01:41:29,739 --> 01:41:27,170
Bigelow who has all these government

2908
01:41:31,810 --> 01:41:29,749
contacts and is putting billions of

2909
01:41:33,700 --> 01:41:31,820
dollars into this whole thing why is he

2910
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,710
still got little trailers that he's

2911
01:41:37,450 --> 01:41:35,360
going to put on Mars why are we using

2912
01:41:38,739 --> 01:41:37,460
rockets like if people say we got all

2913
01:41:41,020 --> 01:41:38,749
this stuff and then I remind the

2914
01:41:43,180 --> 01:41:41,030
Americans you don't even have a space

2915
01:41:44,890 --> 01:41:43,190
you don't even have a rocket to get to

2916
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:44,900
the space station you're hitchhiking

2917
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:51,530
with the Russians you have no image the

2918
01:41:54,399 --> 01:41:52,880
story is that firmage has worked on this

2919
01:41:55,779 --> 01:41:54,409
portal technology anti-gravity

2920
01:41:57,489 --> 01:41:55,789
technology he's put a hundred million

2921
01:41:58,899 --> 01:41:57,499
bucks into this and I'm trying to track

2922
01:42:00,250 --> 01:41:58,909
down I've talked to his lead engineer

2923
01:42:02,319 --> 01:42:00,260
I'm trying to find out what's he's

2924
01:42:04,270 --> 01:42:02,329
actually doing and he's they're talking

2925
01:42:07,629 --> 01:42:04,280
about levitating this box off the ground

2926
01:42:09,399 --> 01:42:07,639
an inch I'm going well if we've got all

2927
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:09,409
this stuff and firmage said I've got

2928
01:42:12,339 --> 01:42:10,639
high-level government contact

2929
01:42:14,319 --> 01:42:12,349
I've got intelligence contacts and stuff

2930
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,329
like so why is firmage working on

2931
01:42:18,100 --> 01:42:16,639
anti-gravity stuff to get a thing a

2932
01:42:20,350 --> 01:42:18,110
couple inches off the ground

2933
01:42:22,839 --> 01:42:20,360
why is Tom DeLonge why are they working

2934
01:42:25,330 --> 01:42:22,849
on this they're gonna fire terror it's

2935
01:42:27,339 --> 01:42:25,340
at this at this object at this layered

2936
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:27,349
piece of metal which will levitate the

2937
01:42:30,430 --> 01:42:29,090
piece of metal why are we working on

2938
01:42:32,589 --> 01:42:30,440
this if we've got all this this

2939
01:42:33,819 --> 01:42:32,599
technology it would make more sense that

2940
01:42:35,799 --> 01:42:33,829
Bigelow who's got all the money

2941
01:42:37,810 --> 01:42:35,809
her furnitures got all the money they

2942
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:37,820
were just going by some of the black

2943
01:42:41,529 --> 01:42:40,130
world technology if it's already been

2944
01:42:42,910 --> 01:42:41,539
done why are they wasting their time

2945
01:42:45,310 --> 01:42:42,920
spending all this money doing all this

2946
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:45,320
guy stuff why is you know why are we

2947
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:47,090
going to Mars why are we doing a

2948
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:48,770
money to go to Mars and stuff if we've

2949
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:50,690
already got this there's stuff I can see

2950
01:42:53,380 --> 01:42:51,890
that maybe they can do it in the black

2951
01:42:55,930 --> 01:42:53,390
world but why are these high-level

2952
01:42:58,210 --> 01:42:55,940
people with all the money falling for

2953
01:43:00,010 --> 01:42:58,220
this I mean you can say you and I don't

2954
01:43:01,690 --> 01:43:00,020
know but they know that they're in

2955
01:43:03,250 --> 01:43:01,700
working with government all the time it

2956
01:43:06,340 --> 01:43:03,260
doesn't make any sense it almost seem

2957
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:06,350
like if they had this technology Bigelow

2958
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:08,330
wouldn't be working on this Mickey Mouse

2959
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:10,250
tech technology and the same with

2960
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:13,370
firmage and the same with Elan musk and

2961
01:43:16,660 --> 01:43:15,290
all these guys they would be going after

2962
01:43:18,670 --> 01:43:16,670
the black world technology they wouldn't

2963
01:43:22,500 --> 01:43:18,680
be working on this simple anti-gravity

2964
01:43:26,110 --> 01:43:22,510
type stuff Oh interesting

2965
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:26,120
so what do you think so you think that

2966
01:43:30,010 --> 01:43:28,010
they're kind of wasting their time

2967
01:43:31,570 --> 01:43:30,020
basically as mperatures the thoughts are

2968
01:43:33,810 --> 01:43:31,580
well or that they don't have anything

2969
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:33,820
that the whole thing about the the the

2970
01:43:37,300 --> 01:43:36,560
secret space program is garbage I as

2971
01:43:42,490 --> 01:43:37,310
Chris Bledsoe

2972
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:42,500
DeLong camp and he's also if you know

2973
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:44,450
the story Jim sent me van who runs to

2974
01:43:51,130 --> 01:43:46,730
the Stars he's the CIA guy is an

2975
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:51,140
experiencer and he told Chris that when

2976
01:43:55,300 --> 01:43:53,570
he was in the CIA he knew Chris he knew

2977
01:43:57,610 --> 01:43:55,310
who Chris was but he couldn't contact

2978
01:43:59,650 --> 01:43:57,620
them until after he left the CIA he goes

2979
01:44:00,850 --> 01:43:59,660
to Tom DeLonge and he said I want you to

2980
01:44:01,930 --> 01:44:00,860
take Chris's story I want you to take it

2981
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:01,940
all I wouldn't want you to make it

2982
01:44:06,490 --> 01:44:05,050
happen so he's very close with with with

2983
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:06,500
Chris Bledsoe

2984
01:44:09,490 --> 01:44:08,210
so I said to Chris at one point I said

2985
01:44:12,820 --> 01:44:09,500
okay there's all this stuff about the

2986
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:12,830
secret space program ask him do we have

2987
01:44:24,370 --> 01:44:22,970
I have all these you know secret

2988
01:44:26,830 --> 01:44:24,380
spacecrafts that are flying all over

2989
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:26,840
this stuff all over the stuff because it

2990
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:28,610
doesn't make any sense I do say you and

2991
01:44:32,170 --> 01:44:30,290
I would miss the point and you and I

2992
01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:32,180
would be you know in the woods and not

2993
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:33,710
know what's going on but can you really

2994
01:44:37,570 --> 01:44:35,690
say that Bigelow didn't know and that

2995
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:37,580
firmage didn't know and he's guy that

2996
01:44:41,140 --> 01:44:39,530
Elon Musk didn't know and that they're

2997
01:44:42,490 --> 01:44:41,150
spending all this money and they didn't

2998
01:44:44,860 --> 01:44:42,500
realize that this stuff's already been

2999
01:44:46,150 --> 01:44:44,870
done you would just cut to cut to the

3000
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:46,160
black world and tried to get the black

3001
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:47,840
world technology or learn something from

3002
01:44:52,420 --> 01:44:49,370
the black world technology so I'm gonna

3003
01:44:54,490 --> 01:44:52,430
write a paper that says perhaps we

3004
01:44:56,140 --> 01:44:54,500
really don't know anything or if you

3005
01:44:57,970 --> 01:44:56,150
have Eric Davis if you heard the

3006
01:45:00,400 --> 01:44:57,980
interview with Eric Davis he doesn't

3007
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:00,410
coast-to-coast and air and he says to

3008
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:00,650
him

3009
01:45:05,380 --> 01:45:02,570
about the crash and he said well you

3010
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:05,390
know if you're a betting guy Roswell is

3011
01:45:09,550 --> 01:45:07,370
probably a pretty good bet he said we

3012
01:45:12,610 --> 01:45:09,560
had a crashed saucer program and we shut

3013
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:12,620
it down in 1989 so when Eric Davis says

3014
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:14,510
that you gotta listen because Eric Davis

3015
01:45:17,950 --> 01:45:16,610
has got some clearances Eric Davis is

3016
01:45:19,870 --> 01:45:17,960
the guys doing the portal stop

3017
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:19,880
he's the was on the contract for the

3018
01:45:23,649 --> 01:45:22,250
eighth tip program when if Eric Davis

3019
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:23,659
says it I pay attention now it may not

3020
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:25,520
be true but I would believe Eric Davis

3021
01:45:28,300 --> 01:45:26,810
so when Eric Davis says they shut it

3022
01:45:31,149 --> 01:45:28,310
down and that was the that was the whole

3023
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:31,159
thing with the with the Bob Lazar thing

3024
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:34,730
where that was 1989 they shut it down

3025
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:37,730
that that again would indicate that we

3026
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:39,770
really don't back engineer and if you

3027
01:45:43,090 --> 01:45:41,810
hear the stories people will describe

3028
01:45:45,399 --> 01:45:43,100
they always think it's like nuts and

3029
01:45:47,290 --> 01:45:45,409
bolts when you talk to the people who

3030
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:47,300
flown the ship you know this ain't

3031
01:45:51,490 --> 01:45:49,370
nuts-and-bolts this is much more complex

3032
01:45:52,959 --> 01:45:51,500
you hear Chris I I have Chris and I

3033
01:45:54,610 --> 01:45:52,969
think I'm not sure if I have it on my

3034
01:45:55,780 --> 01:45:54,620
youtube job but I said to Chris when I

3035
01:45:58,240 --> 01:45:55,790
heard Chris had flown the ship I said

3036
01:46:00,100 --> 01:45:58,250
Chris you flew the ship he said yeah I

3037
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:00,110
said okay don't say anything Chris I'm

3038
01:46:02,770 --> 01:46:01,610
gonna phony on skype I want you to start

3039
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:02,780
from the beginning I want you to go to

3040
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:04,250
the end you tell me exactly how your

3041
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:05,810
flies ship when you hear how he flies a

3042
01:46:10,330 --> 01:46:09,110
ship you come to the craft you look the

3043
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:10,340
craft look like it's about 10 feet

3044
01:46:13,780 --> 01:46:12,050
across it's and it looks like an egg or

3045
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:13,790
whatever you look inside the craft and

3046
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:16,370
it's like 50 feet across you look

3047
01:46:20,290 --> 01:46:18,110
outside it's 10 feet you look inside is

3048
01:46:22,060 --> 01:46:20,300
10 50 feet across lots of experiences

3049
01:46:23,530 --> 01:46:22,070
have shown us this is not something I

3050
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:23,540
think we've developed there's no way

3051
01:46:26,500 --> 01:46:24,800
we've got this kind of technology and

3052
01:46:27,850 --> 01:46:26,510
then Chris tells and they all say the

3053
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:27,860
same thing you put your hand on each

3054
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:30,530
other on a pad a ball Chris called and

3055
01:46:34,030 --> 01:46:32,480
called it a beehive on a pedestal you

3056
01:46:36,459 --> 01:46:34,040
put your hand and you said these little

3057
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:36,469
hexagons the whole room starts to change

3058
01:46:39,399 --> 01:46:38,210
these little hexagons start to spin and

3059
01:46:40,899 --> 01:46:39,409
then they get bigger and bigger and

3060
01:46:42,850 --> 01:46:40,909
bigger and these saticons are spinning

3061
01:46:44,590 --> 01:46:42,860
and everything's changing and then

3062
01:46:46,209 --> 01:46:44,600
suddenly the window opens up and he can

3063
01:46:47,740 --> 01:46:46,219
see he's above the Cape Fear River and

3064
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:47,750
he's using his mind and he's just flying

3065
01:46:51,070 --> 01:46:49,850
along the edge of the river we I don't

3066
01:46:52,450 --> 01:46:51,080
care what I'm using we do not have that

3067
01:46:54,399 --> 01:46:52,460
technology we do not have technology

3068
01:46:56,530 --> 01:46:54,409
where ships are changing shapes and

3069
01:46:58,450 --> 01:46:56,540
stuff like this you start looking and

3070
01:47:00,490 --> 01:46:58,460
listening to the experiencers talk about

3071
01:47:03,820 --> 01:47:00,500
this technology and this this guy from

3072
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:03,830
Ron Johnson ice he told me the story

3073
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:06,080
he's flying this ship and he said they

3074
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:07,489
asked him what would you like what would

3075
01:47:12,729 --> 01:47:09,679
you like he said I would like to see the

3076
01:47:14,590 --> 01:47:12,739
Milky Way from a distance and I said

3077
01:47:17,170 --> 01:47:14,600
okay hang on it's going to some

3078
01:47:19,530 --> 01:47:17,180
is on tape he says he said hang on

3079
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:19,540
you're gonna feel a great sort of a

3080
01:47:24,010 --> 01:47:22,010
gravitational pull right at the very

3081
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:24,020
beginning is gonna be very intense he

3082
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:26,000
said it was one second of gravitational

3083
01:47:30,730 --> 01:47:28,850
pull one second of noise hammer the

3084
01:47:33,070 --> 01:47:30,740
second thing was in two seconds he's

3085
01:47:35,230 --> 01:47:33,080
suddenly in the middle of the the

3086
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:35,240
universe looking at the Milky Way two

3087
01:47:37,330 --> 01:47:35,810
seconds

3088
01:47:39,790 --> 01:47:37,340
there's no way we have this technology

3089
01:47:41,950 --> 01:47:39,800
no way I think it's it's almost like

3090
01:47:44,980 --> 01:47:41,960
military bravado oh yeah we've got this

3091
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:44,990
we've got you know we've got all you

3092
01:47:49,660 --> 01:47:46,970
know racket under control in Afghanistan

3093
01:47:52,210 --> 01:47:49,670
and you know almost like the president

3094
01:47:53,950 --> 01:47:52,220
we've got all jobs are good everything's

3095
01:47:55,630 --> 01:47:53,960
good it's almost like this putting this

3096
01:47:58,060 --> 01:47:55,640
stuff out for some sort of

3097
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:58,070
disinformation thing and I I've heard a

3098
01:48:01,690 --> 01:47:59,600
lot of people talk about secret space

3099
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:01,700
program but when I started looking at

3100
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:03,440
the stuff and especially when you get

3101
01:48:08,740 --> 01:48:06,410
Ron Pandolfi and you get lund all

3102
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:08,750
talking about it and some of the papers

3103
01:48:12,610 --> 01:48:10,880
I've recovered absolutely I would think

3104
01:48:14,830 --> 01:48:12,620
that all the presidential libraries have

3105
01:48:17,110 --> 01:48:14,840
been to all the documents that I've seen

3106
01:48:18,370 --> 01:48:17,120
that have been leaked and stuff sooner

3107
01:48:20,050 --> 01:48:18,380
or later you'd run across a document

3108
01:48:22,030 --> 01:48:20,060
from the black budget program that

3109
01:48:24,010 --> 01:48:22,040
there's this second I have never seen

3110
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:24,020
I've done documents for many decades

3111
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:26,090
I've never seen a document that came

3112
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:27,440
you'll have all these sort of leaked

3113
01:48:31,450 --> 01:48:29,090
documents or not even Nick documents

3114
01:48:32,590 --> 01:48:31,460
just statements I have not and and so

3115
01:48:34,210 --> 01:48:32,600
only in the last couple years I'm

3116
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:34,220
starting to think I'm gonna put it all

3117
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:36,050
together all the evidence I've got going

3118
01:48:39,220 --> 01:48:37,730
through the years that when you go to

3119
01:48:41,340 --> 01:48:39,230
the presidential library and you you

3120
01:48:43,780 --> 01:48:41,350
talk to these different people I

3121
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:43,790
sometimes don't think we have anything

3122
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:46,880
that we are actually in the dark and as

3123
01:48:51,220 --> 01:48:49,370
their David said we shut down the crash

3124
01:48:53,410 --> 01:48:51,230
saucer program because we could not

3125
01:48:55,270 --> 01:48:53,420
determine anything we could not figure

3126
01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:55,280
out anything we could tell yes it's for

3127
01:48:59,020 --> 01:48:57,110
real yes we've got bodies and stuff like

3128
01:49:00,190 --> 01:48:59,030
that but it's almost like if Wilbur

3129
01:49:02,260 --> 01:49:00,200
Smith around the Canadian government

3130
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:02,270
program he said the same thing you

3131
01:49:05,050 --> 01:49:04,010
there's no way you're gonna be able to

3132
01:49:07,570 --> 01:49:05,060
figure this out even if you've got the

3133
01:49:09,370 --> 01:49:07,580
craft well there's some people that have

3134
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:09,380
said in the past that they think that

3135
01:49:14,650 --> 01:49:11,690
you know fiber optics and things like

3136
01:49:16,750 --> 01:49:14,660
that came from reverse engineering I

3137
01:49:19,810 --> 01:49:16,760
mean you know speculation of course

3138
01:49:22,090 --> 01:49:19,820
we've only got just a point but this

3139
01:49:24,610 --> 01:49:22,100
time has flown by I can't believe it

3140
01:49:28,180 --> 01:49:24,620
we're actually basically out of time

3141
01:49:31,060 --> 01:49:28,190
grant very good you get a few stories

3142
01:49:32,979 --> 01:49:31,070
something yeah that's great well hey

3143
01:49:34,270 --> 01:49:32,989
thank you so much grant it's always a

3144
01:49:41,050 --> 01:49:34,280
pleasure talking to you there's a pretty

3145
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:41,060
interesting keep on going I listen to

3146
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:42,650
your interviews especially when you do

3147
01:49:47,229 --> 01:49:44,560
the to the stars ones or John Alexander

3148
01:49:49,060 --> 01:49:47,239
some people may not be listening I'm

3149
01:49:51,700 --> 01:49:49,070
listening and I'm taking notes hey well

3150
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:51,710
thank you very much and also anyone

3151
01:49:56,650 --> 01:49:54,170
that's listening now on kgr a radio

3152
01:49:58,300 --> 01:49:56,660
you're gonna have another show with

3153
01:50:00,370 --> 01:49:58,310
Grant Cameron coming right up and right

3154
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,380
after me all right he grant you take

3155
01:50:04,689 --> 01:50:02,320
care good night good night

3156
01:50:08,770 --> 01:50:04,699
all right everyone so that's it for the

3157
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:08,780
show thanks so much and next week there

3158
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:12,530
should be in should be in Austria if

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you're listening to this and in that

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case we'll have Jeremy Korbel we'll be

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coming up on the show the first part of

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the show and after that hopefully

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Eduardo from Vienna is going to join me

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and it should be interesting anyway

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thanks for listening and remember to

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keep your eyes to the sky